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    Вот вам довольно забавный комментарий про кто есть что...
    До боли знакомо тем кто трудится в финансах и инсурансе. Просто таки вспоминаются дни наказов программы ассоциате
    Обратите внимание на места "приземлений бывших партнеров, кстати о выборах и кризисе легитимности. Уж как тут удивится что муслимам ето не по душе...

    By John Arlidge / London Times

    Number 85 Broad Street, a dull, rust-coloured office block in lower Manhattan, doesn’t look like a place to stop and stare, and that’s just the way the people who work there like it. The men and women who arrive in the watery dawn sunshine, dressed in Wall Street black, clutching black briefcases and BlackBerrys, are very, very private. They walk quickly from their black Lincoln town cars to the lobby, past, well, nothing, really. There’s no name plate on the building, no sign on the front desk and the armed policeman stationed outside isn’t saying who works there. There’s a good reason for the secrecy. Number 85 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004, is where the money is. All of it.

    It’s the site of the best cash-making machine that global capitalism has ever produced, and, some say, a political force more powerful than governments. The people who work behind the brass-trim glass doors make more money than some countries do. They are the rainmakers’ rainmakers, the biggest swinging dicks in the financial jungle. Their assets total $1 trillion, their annual revenues run into the tens of billions, and their profits are in the billions, which they distribute liberally among themselves. Average pay this recessionary year for the 30,000 staff is expected to be a record $700,000. Top earners will get tens of millions, several hundred thousand times more than a cleaner at the firm. When they have finished getting "filthy rich by 40", as the company saying goes, these alpha dogs don’t put their feet up. They parachute into some of the most senior political posts in the US and beyond, prompting accusations that they "rule the world". Number 85 Broad Street is the home of Goldman Sachs.

    The world’s most successful investment bank likes to hide behind the tidal wave of money that it generates and sends crashing over Manhattan, the City of London and most of the world’s other financial capitals. But now the dark knights of banking are being forced, blinking, into the cold light of day. The public, politicians and the press blame bankers’ reckless trading for the credit crunch and, as the most successful bank still standing, Goldman is their prime target. Here, politicians and commentators compete to denounce Goldman in ever more robust terms — "robber barons", "economic vandals", "vulture capitalists". Vince Cable, the Lib Dem Treasury spokesman, contrasts the bank’s recent record results — profits of $3.2 billion in the last quarter alone — and its planned bumper bonus payments with what has happened to ordinary people’s jobs and incomes in 2009.

    It’s even worse in the US. There, Rolling Stone magazine ran a story that described Goldman as "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money". In his latest documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story, Michael Moore drives up to 85 Broad Street in an armoured Brinks money van, leaps out carrying a sack with a giant dollar sign on it, looks up at the building and yells: "We’re here to get the money back for the American people!"



    "Aha! You catch us plotting in real time," says Lloyd Blankfein, breaking away from a cabal of senior executives discussing his trip to Washington the previous day. Blankfein, 55, Goldman’s chairman and chief executive, is wearing a grey suit with a jaunty Hermès tie with little red bicycles on it. In his hand, he’s carrying one of those cups of coffee that look bigger than the human stomach. Maybe it’s the caffeine, maybe it’s the tie — a birthday present from his daughter — but he’s in a remarkably jolly mood for a man everyone seems to hate. "It’s like a safari here," he jokes. "You’ve come in to look at the animals."

    Blankfein may be Wall Street’s Sun God, but, with the economic outlook stormy, he doesn’t want to advertise it, so the merest hint of a status symbol or — horror! — ostentation is airbrushed out of his life, publicly, at least. Take his office on the 30th floor. The chairs are the same ones that were there when he became CEO three years ago. There are none of the $87,000 handmade rugs or $5,000 wastepaper baskets of Wall Street lore. There’s no sign of irrational exuberance. Only coffee, which arrives cold. It sets just the right tone for the job in hand. The grand wizard of Wall Street is steeling himself for the hardest sell of his life: he’s here to argue for good ol’ capitalism, for investment banks and for Goldman Sachs.

    Luckily for him and his firm, he’s a damn good salesman. He starts with a little humility. He understands that "people are pissed off, mad, and bent out of shape" at bankers’ actions. Goldman played its part in the meltdown that almost destroyed the global financial system. It, like most other banks, lent too much money, made its first quarterly loss for more than a decade last year and ended up taking bail-out cash from Washington. "I know I could slit my wrists and people would cheer," he says. But then, he slowly begins to argue the case for modern banking. "We’re very important," he says, abandoning self-flagellation. "We help companies to grow by helping them to raise capital. Companies that grow create wealth. This, in turn, allows people to have jobs that create more growth and more wealth. It’s a virtuous cycle." To drive home his point, he makes a remarkably bold claim. "We have a social purpose."

    Social purpose? Those who have lost their jobs or seen their pay slashed thanks to bankers who flogged dodgy mortgages and dreamt up investments so complex not even they understood them, would gladly tell him where to stick his social purpose. But the problem is, Blankfein is a good advertisement for wealth creation. His own. He is no scion of privilege, dispensing plummy-voiced homilies to raw capitalism from his 30th-floor eyrie. Born in a tough neighbourhood in the Bronx, the son of a postal worker and a receptionist, he was the first in his family to go to college and used financial aid to go to Harvard.

    Even though he proudly pays himself more in a year than most of us could ever dream of — $68m in 2007 alone, a record for any Wall Street CEO, to add to the more than $500m of Goldman stock he owns — he insists he’s still "a blue-collar guy".

    But what about the charge sheet? Bankers brought the world to the brink of bankruptcy and instead of doing the decent thing and jumping out of the nearest window, they turned up cap in hand to governments to hoover up taxpayers’ money to save their skin. Now, just one year on, they are carrying on as if nothing has happened, gambling, and winning, handsomely, with our cash. Goldman’s profits in the second quarter were a record $3.4 billion. Most of the money is being made in trading in bonds, currencies and commodities.

    Goldman is coining it again for two reasons. First, global markets are booming — up 50% from the credit-crunch lows, as new money, much of it from governments, has gushed into the financial system. Second, with Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns off the street, Merrill Lynch a crippled shadow of its former self, and neither Citigroup nor UBS the forces of old, Goldman has a bigger slice of a growing pie. "We didn’t f*** up like the other guys. We’ve still got a balance sheet. So, now we’ve got a bigger and richer pot to piss in," is how one Goldman banker puts it. Small wonder the bank is on course to set aside over $20 billion for salaries and bonuses.

    So far, so lucrative. But isn’t it simply unfair? Isn’t Goldman acting as the modern equivalent of war-time profiteer, taking advantage of global crisis and emergency government action to mint millions? Even the veteran financier George Soros says the big profits made by Wall Street banks are "hidden gifts" from the state.

    Blankfein dismisses any suggestion that Gold-man needed to be bailed out, and, by extension, rejects any notion that the firm is now profiting from public support. Sure, he took $10 billion from Washington’s Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp). But the bank has since repaid the cash, with healthy interest — 23%. Goldman also bene-fited from the federal bail-out of the huge US insurance firm AIG. Goldman had bought $20 billion worth of insurance from AIG and received billions of dollars — perhaps as much as $13 billion — when Washington pumped $90 billion into the stricken giant. But Blankfein insists Goldman was "hedged" against any AIG losses, in the best possible way — with cash. So even if AIG had gone under, Goldman would not have suffered. Critics say that had AIG gone bust, the entire financial system could have collapsed, taking Goldman with it. What’s more, at the height of the crisis, the Federal Reserve broke with an 80-year-old tradition and let Goldman turn itself from a pure investment bank into a bank holding company. This meant it could borrow funds at the same cheap rate as commercial banks for as long as it wanted. Blankfein says Goldman changed status not for the money, but because it had become clear, following the collapse of Bear Stearns and Lehman, that the market had lost faith in the ability of the US Securities and Exchange Commission to regulate investment banks. Being regulated by the central bank, the Federal Reserve, would help to restore confidence in the financial system as a whole....
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6907681.ece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter Ego View Post
    Згорыныч, не смеши меня. При Ельцине был дикий капитализм. Демократией даже и не пахло.
    Что и являеца реальной демократией. Плюс минус локальные детали.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЭТО Я View Post
    Ты похоже неверно понял мой аргумент.
    Я всё понял. Просто понятие "ценности" у нас разное. Для меня общий тупизм электората повышает ценность моих усилий против него. Т.е. если держа на руках "проигрышный" билет мне грозит что-то серьёзное (тюрьма, налоги, война и т.д.) то я выйду на баррикады даже если "выигрышный" билет мне не сулит ничего хорошего. Примерно так.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc_v View Post
    Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a “visionary” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
    Америка была бы намного лучшей страной если бы идеи Джеферсона победили бы идеи Хэмильтона ещё и в финансах. :(

    ПС Ну хоть приятно видеть феллоу Джеферсониан на форуме. :34:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lor View Post
    И на счет Европы. Европа сегодня отличается от Америки только тем, что она беднее и вызывает меньше зависти у тех, кто еще "не уехал". А так, все тоже самое: негры и арабы со шведским гражданством разгуливают по Готеборгу, например.
    Европа это не одно государство. Когда вы говорите беднее, у меня возникает вопрос - насколько беднее?
    К примеру, США по уровню жизни населения занимают лишь восьмое место в мире.
    В Тор-20 лучших для жизни населения городов мира по мнению международной организации Mercer Human Resource входят 13 европейских городов и ни одного американского.
    Но Европа действительно отличается от США, но совсем не тем, о чем вы здесь написали.
    Что же касается исламизации современной Европы - это факт. Причем факт удручающий. Многие законодательства европейских стран прогнулись под исламским натиском. В Бельгии например, теперь разрешено посещать школы и высшие учебные заведения в хиджабах.
    Франция пока еще держится, но думаю, не надолго ее хватит.
    В Швейцарии в эти выходные проходил референдум о запрете или разрешении строительства минаретов. Дожились...
    В Кельне исламские организации добились разрешения на сторительство мечети в городе. Причем эта мечеть будет самым высоким зданием в Кельне и самой крупной мечетью в Европе...
    Против исламизации Великобритании неделю назад по всей стране прошли демонстарции протеста, которые очень жестко были подавлены полицией.
    Вот такие вот дела...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zgorynych View Post
    Что и являеца реальной демократией. Плюс минус локальные детали.
    Когда горыныч пишет, такое впечатление, что его рукой движет Майкл Мур.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zgorynych View Post
    Что и являеца реальной демократией. Плюс минус локальные детали.
    Горыныч, я хочу тебе сказать шо очень многие вещи, глобальные мне кажуццо такими же...всмысли када ты пишешь, удиветельна много совпадений

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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    Когда горыныч пишет, такое впечатление, что его рукой движет Майкл Мур.
    С чего это вдруг? он как раз за естественность без регилирования

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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    Когда горыныч пишет, такое впечатление, что его рукой движет Майкл Мур.
    Кажись прямые оскорбления в "Серьёзных" запрещены.Смотрите забамят.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyccard View Post
    Кажись прямые оскорбления в "Серьёзных" запрещены.Смотрите забамят.
    А может, это был комплимент? :grum:

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