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[марик - камарик]

Паренёк, то что ты называешь "религиозными писаниями" - является частью христианской, а так же и мусульманской веры - поскольку ты говоришь о так называемом "Ветхом Завете".
И было бы интересно, если бы ты нашёл пример религии, которая появилась задолго до рождения Христа, и была бы насыщена только современными понятиями морали и добродетели...

Ты почти прав. Вообще-то, то о чем он говорит написанно не просто давно, это написано повстанцами, сторонниками Бар Кохбы и их наследниками -- лидера революционеров и это сейчас "гои" переводятся как "неевреи", а в том контексте это писали о римлянах.

И на сегодняшний день так как это часть талмуда. этот материал является бесценным в плане изучения истории евреев в изгнании и потому является одним из священных писаний. Также из-за того что талмуд содержит много резких высказываний в отношении римлян которые захватили израиль эта книга является хорошим источникoм чтоб всякая погань оправдывала свою антисемитскую идеологию. Но и хер с ними. Даже прикольно будет потдержать эту идею и посмотреть что получится. Но тот факт что в одной книге написанно что-то про гоев не значит что все евреи именно так думают. если вам нужно больше информации о иудаизме как религии возьмите класс по иудаизму. Если вам нужно просто чтоб вам подтвердили что евреи пьют кровь младенцев, то я вам это устрою в обеденный перерыв

[марик - камарик]

Кстати, а перед тем как искать расизм в еврейских книгах вы хоть христианские читали?




John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) ?“ One of the "greatest" of church fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous for his sermons and addresses.

"The synagogue is worse than a brothel?it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts?the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults?the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews?a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ? a house worse than a drinking shop?a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."?"I would say the same things about their souls? As for me, I hate the synagogue?I hate the Jews for the same reason."


Peter the Venerable ?“ known as "the meekest of men, a model of Christian charity"

"Yes, you Jews. I say, do I address you; you, who till this very day, deny the Son of God. How long, poor wretches, will ye not believe the truth? Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human? I lead out from its den a monstrous animal, and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheater of the world, in the sight of all the people. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men."



Ignatius Bishop of Antioch (98-117A.D.) ?“ Epistle to the Magnesians

"For if we are still practicing Judaism, we admit that we have not received God's favor?it is wrong to talk about Jesus Christ and live like Jews. For Christianity did not believe in Judaism, but Judaism in Christianity"



Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho (Between 138A.D. and 161 A.D.)

"We too, would observe your circumcision of the flesh, your Sabbath days, and in a word, all you festivals, if we were not aware of the reason why they were imposed upon you, namely, because of your sins and the hardness of heart.

The custom of circumcising the flesh, handed down from Abraham, was given to you as a distinguishing mark, to set you off from other nations and from us Christians. The purpose of this was that you and only you might suffer the afflictions that are now justly yours; that only your land be desolated, and you cities ruined by fire, that the fruits of you land be eaten by strangers before your very eyes; that not one of you be permitted to enter your city of Jerusalem. Your circumcision of the flesh is the only mark by which you can certainly be distinguished from other men?as I stated before it was by reason of your sins and the sins of your fathers that, among other precepts, God imposed upon you the observence of the sabbath as a mark."




Martin Luther ?“ 1543

A piece Martin Luther wrote called, "On The Jews and Their Lies"

"What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, we can not tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy. In this way we cannot quench the inextinguishable fire of divine rage nor convert the Jews. We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. Perhaps we may save a few from the fire and flames [of hell]. We must not seek vengeance. They are surely being punished a thousand times more than we might wish them. Let me give you my honest advice.

First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians.

Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing.

Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught.

Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...

Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews. For they have no business in the rural districts since they are not nobles, nor officials, nor merchants, nor the like. Let them stay at home...If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination...

To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews..."

[Izolda]

Паренёк, то что ты называешь "религиозными писаниями" - является частью христианской, а так же и мусульманской веры - поскольку ты говоришь о так называемом "Ветхом Завете".
И было бы интересно, если бы ты нашёл пример религии, которая появилась задолго до рождения Христа, и была бы насыщена только современными понятиями морали и добродетели...

Славянские веды. В заповедях перуна очень хорошо говорится и о конце тьмы в 2012, и вообще о законах вселенной..
Да и заповедей в ведах поболе, чeм у иудеев. :sfs:

[Izolda]

Марик, хоть я с детьми не ругаюсь, но, пожалуйста, не трогай Мартина Лютера. Он герой.

[марик - камарик]

Марик, хоть я с детьми не ругаюсь, но, пожалуйста, не трогай Мартина Лютера. Он герой.

Вы сцука не трогайте наших, а мы не будем ваших. Вот смотрите. Матрил лютер ваш герой, а по нашему он должен бы пулю в лоб получить
Martin Luther ?“ 1543

A piece Martin Luther wrote called, "On The Jews and Their Lies"

"What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, we can not tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy. In this way we cannot quench the inextinguishable fire of divine rage nor convert the Jews. We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. Perhaps we may save a few from the fire and flames [of hell]. We must not seek vengeance. They are surely being punished a thousand times more than we might wish them. Let me give you my honest advice.

First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians.

Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing.

Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught.

Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...

Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews. For they have no business in the rural districts since they are not nobles, nor officials, nor merchants, nor the like. Let them stay at home...If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination...

To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews..."

[Izolda]

Вы сцука не трогайте наших, а мы не будем ваших. Вот смотрите. Матрил лютер ваш герой, а по нашему он должен бы пулю в лоб получитьМартин Лутхер ?“ 1543

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а ведь я к детям благосклонна. Дети же.. ну и что делать после этого??

Мартин Лютер- основатель протестантизма. Боролся против продажности католической церкви. Геройский человек.
Давайте не трогать наших великих людей.

[Nabludatel']

Славянские веды. В заповедях перуна очень хорошо говорится и о конце тьмы в 2012, и вообще о законах вселенной..
Да и заповедей в ведах поболе, чем у иудеев. :сфс:

тебе может быть полезно почитать (хотя маловерятно) вот это:

"Unlike Greek or Egyptian mythology, there are no first-hand records for the study of Slavic mythology. Despite some arguable theories (for instance, the Book of Veles), it cannot be proven that the Slavs had any sort of writing system before Christianity; therefore, all their original religious beliefs and traditions were likely passed down orally over the generations, and basically forgotten over the centuries following the arrival of Christianity. Before that, sparse records of Slavic religion were mostly written by non-Slavic Christian missionaries who were uninterested in accurately portraying pagan beliefs. Archaeological remains of old Slavic cult images and shrines have been found, though little can be yielded from them without legitimate knowledge of their contexts, other than confirming existing historical records. Fragments of old mythological beliefs and pagan festivals survive up to this day in folk customs, songs, and stories of all the Slavic nations." (c)

[Izolda]

тебе может быть полезно почитать (хотя маловерятно) вот это:

Википедия? кто автор?
Мой ответ- "не учите меня жить"

[Alex5448]

а ведь я к детям благосклонна. Дети же.. ну и что делать после этого??

Мартин Лютер- основатель протестантизма. Боролся против продажности католической церкви. Геройский человек.
Давайте не трогать наших великих людей.

А наших значит можно?

[Izolda]

А наших значит можно?

Конечно , нет.
Но Троцкого можно. да и Цореса тоже.