Дебаты. Первый раунд. Полл.

[mineral]

Кто, по-вашему, выглядел убедительнее?

Полл закрытый, голосуем.

[_Август_]

да тот, за кого ты болеешь, без вопросов

[mineral]

да тот, за кого ты болеешь, без вопросов

Не поал... А за кого я болею?

[Wella]

Дебаты своего рода "узаконенное" вранье, чтобы выглядеть убедительнее и набрать больше голосов
конечно будут врать и врут
к примеру

Romney Fact Check #7: Romney’s Bipartisan Record — 10:36 p.m.: Governor Romney: First of all, I liked the way we did it in Massachusetts. I like that in my state we had Republicans and Democrats come together and work together.
Shush Walshe has the facts:
Did Romney work across the aisle for his health care plan in Massachusetts?
Michael Widmer, from Massachusetts Taxpayer Foundation (non-partisan group) says both the Massachusetts legislature and Romney DID come together to get everyone in the state insured. They had the same goal and were successful. Yes, Romney put out the idea, but the legislature helped to craft the plan.

Is Obamacare based on Romney’s plan?
Romney worked with the legislature yes, but he spearheaded two parts of it that are essential to the president’s plan: the individual mandate and the health care exchanges.

The administration did use Romney’s advisors as the president said. MIT’s Jonathan Gruber is the biggest name who worked with both.

Health care was a rare exception where he worked with the legislature in his state, according to Widmer.
Widmer says the legislature was “frustrated usually” with Romney because he wanted to govern like a “CEO” and “didn’t pay heed to the legislature and they resented that.”

He says it was very different than one of his predecessors and now a big support, Bill Weld who did work with Democrats in the state.
Romney was also bragging about Massachusetts being number one in education. Widmer says those reforms actually took place ten years before in 1993 under Weld.

дальше лень выделять..

Romney Fact Check #6: Oil and Gas Only on Private lands — 10:29 p.m.: Governor Romney: Mr. President all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land. Not on government land on government land, your Administration has cut the numbers of permit and licenses in half.
Arlette Saenz has the facts:
Mitt Romney claimed that under the Obama administration, the number of drilling permits and licenses on government lands has been cut in half, but that estimate is not quite factual according to data from the Bureau of Land Management.
“President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land. Not on government land. On government land, your Administration has cut the numbers of permit and licenses in half,” Romney said.
Data from the BLM shows that the number of drilling permits on federal lands approved during the fiscal years President Obama has been in office has decreased somewhere between 20 and 37 percent compared to the years before he became president - not the 50 percent Romney claimed.
Source is here.
Obama Fact Check #5: Seniors Pay $6,000 More Under Romney— 10:25 p.m.: President Obama: The problem is that because the voucher wouldn’t necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated this would cost the average senior $6,000 a year
Chris Good has the facts:
This figure is based on an outdated analysis of Paul Ryan’s Medicare-reform plan.
Looking at Ryan’s 2011 plan, the Congressional Budget Office estimated seniors would pay more for their health care under Ryan’s plan. The CBO projected that by 2022, seniors would pay 61 percent of their health care costs, versus 27 percent under current law. At the time, Ryan questioned the CBO’s assessment.
The $6,000 figure comes from a Center for Budget and Policy Priorities study, based on the CBO’s analysis, which projected that seniors’ out-of-pocket costs would rise from $6,150 to $12,500 per year on average under Ryan’s plan.
Since then, Ryan has made some changes to his plan, including a catastrophic-care benefit, more generous growth of “premium-support payments,” and a government health plan as an alternative to private plans, from which seniors would choose on an exchange. It is the more recent plan that Romney supports.
So, while the $6,000 estimate applies to a previous iteration of Ryan’s plan, and while that plan bears the same basic features, both the Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein have said it’s wrong to apply that number to Ryan’s current Medicare proposal.

[Screw101]

да тот, за кого ты болеешь, без вопросов

Ясное дело...

[Wella]

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Romney Fact Check #5: Millions Losing Health Care Under Obama — 10:22 p.m.:
Part one: Governor Romney: Right now the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.
John Parkinson has the facts:
That claim is based on a report from CBO.
Politfact says it’s FALSE.
KEY SECTION: ”That number is cherry-picked, and he’s wrong to describe it as only including people who “like” their coverage, since many of those 20 million will be leaving employer coverage voluntarily for better options. Romney also ignores that under the status quo, many more people today “lose” coverage than even the highest, cherry-picked CBO estimate. We rate his statement False.”
Part two: Governor Romney: McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30% of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ct-or-fiction/

[Yurcha]

Не поал... А за кого я болею?

Ты болеешь за меня

[Izold]

а чё, все эти фак-т чекеры только Ромни на вшивость проверяют?
а-аа, понил, Обаму и проверять не надо, все достижения налицо...

[Hallucinogen]

а чё, все эти фак-т чекеры только Ромни на вшивость проверяют?
а-аа, понил, Обаму и проверять не надо, все достижения налицо...

ну дак проверь... почитаем

подскажу где копать: джопп криэйшен

[nyccard]

Ну вы даете!Обама был в такой глубокой заднице,что уже говорят не разрешить ли телепромты.)))))))))