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    Во, дошла очередь до главных спекулянтов, да и название фирм подстать их бизнесу.

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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The anxiety over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, crucial to a recovery of the battered housing market and the economy as a whole, reached fever pitch on Friday as shares plunged on speculation of a looming bailout.
    Immediately after the markets opened, shares of Fannie (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie (FRE, Fortune 500) fell more than 47% from their already battered closing price the day before. They soon rebounded slightly but Fannie shares were down 34% and Freddie shares were off 37% about an hour after opening.
    The two firms hold or back $5 trillion between them, or about half the mortgage debt in the country.
    They play a central role in the U.S. housing market, providing a crucial source of funding for banks and other home lenders, especially since a credit market crisis last summer left them the only major players in packaging pools of mortgage loans into securities for sale to investors.
    If they were unable to do so, it would significantly raise the cost and restrict the availability of mortgage loans, causing significantly more problems for already battered housing prices and sales.That in turn would be another significant problem for the overall U.S. economy, as well as global credit markets.
    The New York Times reported Friday that senior Bush administration officials are considering a plan to have the government take over one or both of the companies if their problems worsen.
    The shares started to erase early losses when word came that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was set to speak. He said that the government's primary focus is making sure that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac remain as presently constituted to carry out their mission.
    Even before the latest report on a possible rescue plan, speculation about the future of the firms this week sparked a run by investors away from their shares. That in turn raised questions about how difficult and expensive it will be for them to raise needed capital in the future, which fed into the stock plunge in a vicious cycle.
    In the first four trading days of the week, the shares of Fannie have lost 30% of their value, while Freddie shares have tumbled 45%. For the year, Fannie is down 67% and Freddie 77%.
    "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have lost investor confidence evidenced by the rapid brutal sell-off in their stocks, which could dramatically hinder their ability to raise any additional capital going forward," wrote Richard Hofmann of research firm CreditSights in a note Friday. He added that the firms' ability to function normally "remain at the core of government efforts to stabilize the mortgage markets."
    A number of scenarios were being discussed by bankers and analysts about what the government may do to deal with investors' current crisis of confidence in the firms.
    Jaret Seiberg, a financial services analyst for the Stanford Group, a Washington research firm, said Thursday options that among the options are: The Federal Reserve could purchase some of the Freddie and Fannie debt or mortgage-backed securities; the Treasury Department could make billions of dollars in loans to the companies or even buy stock in the companies.
    "Government officials are always planning for worst-case scenarios and our note is intended to highlight some options that may be available to policymakers," he wrote. "We suspect hybrid versions of these plans also are possible."
    Under current law, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the regulator of Fannie and Freddie, could take control of the firms if their capital falls too far below required levels. It is unclear how the firms would operate in that situation, known as a conservatorship.
    OFHEO Director James Lockhart issued a statement late Thursday saying that his agency was closely monitoring the firms' credit and capital positions. But he pointed out that they had already raised $20 billion in capital and that they adequately capitalized, holding funds well in excess of his agency's requirements.
    Still investors were worried that continued problems in the housing market would cause more than the $12.7 billion losses the two firms have lost between them since last July. The decline in their stock value makes raising additional capital to cover those future losses that much more expensive and difficult.
    It is also unclear if current shareholders would see their holdings wiped out under some of these government rescue options - leading to the pre-market sell-off.
    A Fannie spokesman said Friday morning that the company had no comment, while a spokeswoman for Freddie was not available for immediate comment. Both firms issued statements on Thursday saying they had the necessary capital to continue operating, adding they would not comment on the decline in their stock value.
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    Херня Буш им столько бабла отвалит что проблем у них не будет
    Ничто не сближает людей так, как общее одеяло :kos:

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    Quote Originally Posted by химик
    Херня Буш им столько бабла отвалит что проблем у них не будет
    Ну да проблем нет, вон [IndyMac] заморозили, не маленький такой банк

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik
    Ну да проблем нет, вон [IndyMac] заморозили, не маленький такой банк
    А [Bears] дали 30 миллиардов на халяву + 9 миллиардов выложил [JP Morgan]
    Ничто не сближает людей так, как общее одеяло :kos:

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    Фед дал [loan] И [back up obligations], а [JP] заплатил за покупку, так что никто ничего на халяву не давал

    И ясно Фед делает всё возможное, чтобы стабилизировать рынок, но увы люди, что имели >100К скорее всего не увидят своих денег, а это 1Б. Ну и “бабла” в [US] не так уж много, и если один за другим банки станут лететь, начнётся паника и уже ничего не сможет помочь, разве что Чайна выкупт всю [US] тогда. Просто показывает, что банковская система очень [fragile] сейчас, но многие политики (I won't point fingers at gop) продолжают утверждать, что всё замечательно, и мы далеки от [recession ]

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    Никакой рецессии нету, говоря общедоступным языком - просто мыльные мафиозно-спекулятивные пузыри взрываются. Продавцы воздуха сейчас не в моде.
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    Ну да, по [US] пока рецессии нет, следуя обще-принятому [definition], что [growth is negative for two or more successive quarters], и у нас 1%. Но всё идёт к тому. Большинтво ведущих экономистов верят что [it’s nore likely than not] у нас будет рециессия.

    Ну и во многих штатах она уже есть. [Moody’s announced few month ago that few states are in a recession:Cali, Rhode Island, Ohio, MI, Wisconsin, Fl, TN, NV, AZ.]

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    Шарик, рецессия только у не порядочных спекулянтов и отраслях в которых они орудуют. Самое неприятное, что они продолжают делать своё пакостные делишки, но феды уже не дремлют, удавка потихоньку стягивается.

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    Такое впечатление что некоторые пишущие в теме на улицу не выходят (не буду тыкать пальцем на Смешно ;) )

    Был на викенд на Кейпе - первый раз за много лет. Погода была перфект на 100% а народу на 50%. Полупустые рестораны, трафика никакого, практически каждый 2ой дом - надпись фор сэйл, каждая (!) лодка стоящая перед домом - фор сэйл. А главное - паркинга дофига в любом месте. Платные паркингы полупустые когда пару лет назад там стояли очереди на 2 часа. Бесплатные паркинги (что 5 лет назад вообще не существовало) тут и там без проблем. И это всё в середине июля при шикарной погоде. :confused: Неее, никакой рецесии, да что вы... :mad:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik
    Ну да, по [US] пока рецессии нет, следуя обще-принятому [definition], что [growth is negative for two or more successive quarters], и у нас 1%. Но всё идёт к тому. Большинтво ведущих экономистов верят что [it’s nore likely than not] у нас будет рециессия.

    Ну и во многих штатах она уже есть. [Moody’s announced few month ago that few states are in a recession:Cali, Rhode Island, Ohio, MI, Wisconsin, Fl, TN, NV, AZ.]
    Конечно нет, у нас мягкая депресия, что кстати не так плохо как рисуют
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