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Тяжелое зрелище. Я, конечно, понимаю, что любой верующий - это фанатик, но чтобы в 21 веке творилось такое - просто немыслимо.
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Тяжелое зрелище. Я, конечно, понимаю, что любой верующий - это фанатик, но чтобы в 21 веке творилось такое - просто немыслимо.
I am Ripper... Tearer... Slasher... Gouger. I am the Teeth in the Darkness, the Talons in the Night. Mine is Strength... and Lust... and Power! I AM OLEGRED!!!!!
Фильм очень дерьмовый и короткий. Я ожидал бОльшего.
Какая-то кустарщина, строки из Корана вырваны из контекста, мнение весьмя субъективное.
Дикость и варварство, конечно, но Христианство, к примеру, тоже не с чистыми руками...
Проблема в том, я считаю, что пока христианский мир веками взрослел и стал умеренным и толерантным (более-менее), исламский мир давным давно буксует в средних веках...
Мне фильм понравился - минималистический и реалистичный концепт - мой стиль. А субъективного в в мужиках и бабах подрывающих себя ради Аллаха нихрена нет.Originally Posted by Слоник Трурль
I am Ripper... Tearer... Slasher... Gouger. I am the Teeth in the Darkness, the Talons in the Night. Mine is Strength... and Lust... and Power! I AM OLEGRED!!!!!
Оппс..уже убрали.
Сегоднй по времени был фрагмент . Цоменты такие: ВСе кадры уже известные, просто автор сделал так что кажется что в терроризме виноваты мусульмане, а не террористы.
А в Америке миллионы мусульман и терроризма нет.
Немного конструктивной критики:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7318733.stm
In the Netherlands, most local Muslim organizations appeared not to take the Wilders project seriously. There was no disturbances of the kind that occurred three years ago following the murder of van Gogh.
Meanwhile, Wilders can expect some copyright charges from Dutch media, whose material was used in "Fitna" without permission. Also, the infamous Danish cartoon of the prophet Muhammed being hit by a bomb was used without approval.
Wilders made another mistake. When trying to show the murderer of van Gogh, he instead showed a local rap artist, Salah Edin.Below are expert Mohammad Al-Hayek's translations of the meanings of the verses used in "Fitna."
Verse from Fitna: (Chapter 8; Verse 6) Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies.
Al-Hayek: The purpose of this verse is to urge Muslim governments to be militarily strong in order to intimidate its enemies. Building up power is meant to serve as a deterrent to those wanting to attack Muslims.
This chapter was revealed about the major Battle of Badr that took place between the Muslims and the Quraish tribe of Mecca in the second year of the established Muslim state. The verse immediately after it says, "but if the enemy inclines toward peace, do thou also incline toward peace." Muslims are commanded to halt war immediately if the enemy shows signs of peace. Even in war, Muslims are instructed in the Quran to adhere to strict rules of engagement.
Verse from Fitna: (Chapter 4; Verse 56) Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in fire whenever their skins are cooked to a turn, we shall substitute new skins for them that they may feel the punishment: verily Allah is sublime and wise.
Al-Hayek: This verse speaks of the punishment in hellfire for those who reject the signs of God. This verse explains what happens in hell in the Hereafter. It contains no directives for Muslims to behave in a certain way. The "we" in this verse refers to God. It is a commonly used Quranic technique of glorifying the majesty of God by referring to Him in the plural.
Chapter Four of the Quran deals primarily with Islamic laws, focusing heavily on inheritance laws.
Verse from Fitna: (Chapter 47, Verse 4) Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them, bring a bond firmly on them.
Al-Hayek: Chapter 47 of the Quran is also called the Chapter of War. The chapter mainly outlines Muslim rules while in combat. Most of the translations of this verse reads, "when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight)..." This verse calls for Muslims to fight fiercely while in battle. The verse concludes "until the war lays down its burden." Verse from Fitna: (Chapter 4, Verse 89) They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they, so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah.
Al-Hayek: This chapter speaks specifically about an incident in the Battle of Uhud. The word "friends" in the verse is actually translated to "allies." This verse is about a group of traitors who joined the ranks of the Muslim army, then aided their enemies. Verse 89 instructs those Muslims not to take those traitors as allies or protectors.
Verse from Fitna: (Chapter 8, Verse 39) Fight them until there is no dissension and the religion is entirely Allah's.
Al-Hayek: This chapter is about the Battle of Badr. "Dissension" should actually be translated in this verse as "persecution." This verse refers to the persecution the Muslims in Mecca faced as the minority. Verse 39 is a commandment from God to the Muslims to fight their oppressors.
Мусульманство - единственная религия, проповедующая и пользующаяся террором. На этом разговор заканчивается, потому что говорить не о чем.Originally Posted by Слоник Трурль
I am Ripper... Tearer... Slasher... Gouger. I am the Teeth in the Darkness, the Talons in the Night. Mine is Strength... and Lust... and Power! I AM OLEGRED!!!!!
Ну так тогда и начинать незачем было.
Мог бы в себе и держать.
Ну, можно обсудить многие детали. Меня радует, что почти все эти мусульманские варвары в основном бедны, убоги и лишены военной силы. А то бы я посмотрел как бы вы заголосили.Originally Posted by Leon93
I am Ripper... Tearer... Slasher... Gouger. I am the Teeth in the Darkness, the Talons in the Night. Mine is Strength... and Lust... and Power! I AM OLEGRED!!!!!
Если бы у них общество не застряло в развитии в средневековье, у них бы было богатство, величие и военная сила; но тогда бы и ислам (как и христианство) развился, видоизменился, исключил бы элементы нетолерантности и насилия.Originally Posted by OlegRed
Короче говоря, если бы у бабушки были яйца- она была бы дедушкой.
Бедны, но с голоду-то не умирают. И даже кажется без футстампов.Originally Posted by OlegRed
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