Рок-не рок, попса-не попса или Чо вы за лажу такую слушаете?

[Птиц]

Так , постой, а не для гопнеков,какая попса? :роллеыес: Обсирательство не есть определение.Ты пока что заявил на уровне Роллинг Стоунз полная туфта.Мил человек, чем же Кисс тя так задели) И Аэросмит))Ну ка расскажи ,почему эти супер групы для гопнеков.А Джонни Винтер тож для гопнеков,или Иглз,или мож Мамас анд Папас чем тя обидели__ты как то странно,не понимая смешиваешь стили и названия.Кисс и Аэросмит играли разную музыку и были абсолютно разными.Кисс это великолепное шоу с крутыми рок музыкантами.Именные инструменты просто так не делают) А причем Аэросмит,група которую нереально спутать.Или Джо Пери не удовлетворил твоих желаний))Зачем так нелепо заявлять. К чему показывать собственное непонимание и бескультурье.Фиг вас поймешь,вроде "гыыыыыыыыыыыыгыыыыыыыыыыыы" пишешь, а ни черта не понимаешь)) Один нонсенс

Кисс - первые три альбома не продались, дебют - ок. 75,000 копий, в чартах не был. второй - не поднялся выше 100-го места, 3-й - #32, сертифицирован золотым только через 2 года (продано 500,000 копий) (у Зеппелин 1-й -#10, 2-й - #1 с предв. заказами в 500,000 копий, - 3-й - #1, сертифицирован золотым (500,000 копий) через три дня после выхода)

Примерно та же картина с Аэросмит - первый альбом поднялся не выше 21 го места спустя 2 года 8 мес. после выхода, тогда же сертифицирован золотым, 2-й - 74-е место, золото - полтора года после выхода, 3-й - 11 место. продажи первых двух альбомов пересекли рубеж полмиллиона только после выхода третьего.

С синглами в чартах - ситуация немножко получше:

1973 "Dream On" Pop Singles 59
1976 "Dream On" Pop Singles 6
1975 "Sweet Emotion" Billboard Pop Singles 36
1977 "Walk This Way" Billboard Pop Singles 10

Вывод?

[Птиц]

Kiss

1974 "Nothin' To Lose" / "Love Theme From Kiss" #26
1974 "Kissin' Time" / "Deuce" #34
1974 "Strutter" / "100,000 Years" #17
1974 "Let Me Go Rock N' Roll" / "Hotter Than Hell" #43
1975 "Rock and Roll All Nite" / "Getaway" #14
1975 "C'Mon And Love Me" / "Getaway" #51
1975 "Rock And Roll All Nite" (Live} / "Rock And Roll All Nite" #1
1976 "Shout It Out Loud" / "Sweet Pain" #7
1976 "Flaming Youth" / "God Of Thunder" #45
1976 "Detroit Rock City" / "Beth" #1 (Detroit Rock City) #1
1976 "Hard Luck Woman" / "Mr Speed" #15
1977 "Calling Dr. Love" / "Take Me" #14
1977 "Ladies Room" / "I Want You" #18
1977 "Christine Sixteen" / "Shock Me" #25
1977 "Love Gun" / "Hooligan" #5
1977 "I Stole Your Love" / "Tomorrow And Tonight" #10
1977 "Shout It Out Loud" (Live) / "Nothin' To Lose" (Live) #12
1978 "Rocket Ride" / "Tomorrow And Tonight" (Live) #39
1978 "Strutter 78" / "Shock Me" #8
1979 "I Was Made For Lovin' You" / "Hard Times" #10
1979 "Sure Know Something" / "Dirty Livin'" #47

Aerosmith

1975 "Sweet Emotion" #36
1976 "Dream On" (re-issue) #6
1976 "Last Child" #21
1977 "Walk This Way" #10
1977 "Back in the Saddle" #38
1978 "Come Together" #23

Boston

1976 "More Than A Feeling" 5
1977 "Long Time" 22
1977 "Peace of Mind" 38
1978 "Don't Look Back" 4
1978 "A Man I'll Never Be" 31

Styx

1975 "Lady" 6
1975 "You Need Love" 88
1976 "Lorelei" 27
1976 "Mademoiselle" 36
1977 "Crystal Ball" 109
1977 "Come Sail Away" 8
1978 "Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)" 29
1978 "Blue Collar Man (Long Nights)" 21

Journey

1978 "Wheel in the Sky" 57
1978 "Feeling That Way/Anytime" 83
1978 "Lights" 68
1979 "Just the Same Way" 58
1979 "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" 16

Van Halen

1978 You Really Got Me 36
1978 Runnin' With The Devil 84
1979 Dance the Night Away 15
1978 Beautiful Girls 84

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Fleetwood Mac

1976 "Over My Head" Pop Singles 20
1976 "Rhiannon" Pop Singles 11
1976 "Say You Love Me" Pop Singles 11
1977 "Go Your Own Way" Billboard Pop Singles 10
1977 "Dreams" Billboard Pop Singles 1
1977 "Don't Stop" Billboard Pop Singles 3
1977 "You Make Loving Fun" Billboard Pop Singles 9
1979 "Tusk" US 8
1980 "Sara" US 7

Peter Frampton

1976 "Baby I Love Your Way" 12
1976 "Do You Feel Like We Do" 10
1976 "Show Me the Way" 6
1977 "I'm In You" 2
1977 "Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours" 18
1978 "Tried to Love" 41

Foreigner

1976 "Feels Like the First Time" 4
1977 "Starrider" - 28
1977 "Cold As Ice" 6
1978 "Long, Long Way From Home" 20
1978 "Hot Blooded" 3
1978 "Double Vision" 2
1979 "Blue Morning, Blue Day" 15
1979 "Dirty White Boy" 12
1979 "Head Games" 14
1979 "Rev On The Red Line" 14
1979 "Blinded By Science" 14

Sweet

1975 "Fox On The Run" #5 US (1976 release);
1975 "Action" - #20 US
1978 "Love Is Like Oxygen" #8 US

Foghat

1975 "Slow Ride" Pop Singles 20

Thin Lizzy

"The Boys Are Back in Town" (1976) 12

[marussya]

Полностью поддерживаю Птица.

Если Кисс и Аэросмит считать рок-музыкой, так может и Добрынина присчитаем?

И, по моим наблюдениям, люди, слушающие их шедевры либо из постсоветского пространства и доступа к лучшему не имевшие, либо не обременены интеллектом.

[vpered]

если не Добрынина, то уж Землян точно придётся запесать

[vpered]

(“cold as ice” and “double vision” are my guilty pleasures, but I am not telling anybody)

[Птиц]

Studio albums

Led Zeppelin

* Released: January 12, 1969
* Chart positions: #6 UK, #10 US
* RIAA certification: 8x Platinum, US Sales: 8,7 million, UK Sales: 1,100,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: Good Times, Bad Times, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, You Shook Me, Dazed and Confused.
o Side 2: Your Time Is Gonna Come, Black Mountain Side, Communication Breakdown, I Can't Quit You Baby, How Many More Times

Led Zeppelin II

* Released: October 22, 1969
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 12x Platinum, US Sales: 13 million UK Sales: 2,000,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: Whole Lotta Love, What Is and What Should Never Be, The Lemon Song, Thank You
o Side 2: Heartbreaker, Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman), Ramble On, Moby Dick, Bring It On Home

Led Zeppelin III

* Released: October 5, 1970
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 6x Platinum, US Sales: 6,5 million UK Sales: 1,100,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: Immigrant Song, Friends, Celebration Day, Since I've Been Loving You, Out on the Tiles
o Side 2: Gallows Pole, Tangerine, That's the Way, Bron-Y-Aur Stomp, Hats Off to (Roy) Harper

Led Zeppelin IV

* Released: November 8, 1971
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #2 US
* RIAA certification: 23x Platinum, US Sales: 23,2 million UK Sales: 2,000,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: Black Dog, Rock and Roll, The Battle of Evermore, Stairway to Heaven
o Side 2: Misty Mountain Hop, Four Sticks, Going to California, When the Levee Breaks

Houses of the Holy

* Released: March 28, 1973
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 11x Platinum, US Sales: 12 million - UK Sales: 700,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: The Song Remains the Same, The Rain Song, Over the Hills and Far Away, The Crunge
o Side 2: Dancing Days, D'yer Mak'er, No Quarter, The Ocean

Physical Graffiti

* Released: February 24, 1975
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 16x Platinum, U.S Sales: 8,15 million - UK Sales: 900,000
* Track listing:
o Disc 1, Side 1: Custard Pie, The Rover, In My Time of Dying.
o Disc 1, Side 2: Houses of the Holy, Trampled Under Foot, Kashmir.
o Disc 2, Side 1: In the Light, Bron-Yr-Aur, Down by the Seaside, Ten Years Gone.
o Disc 2, Side 2: Night Flight, The Wanton Song, Boogie with Stu, Black Country Woman, Sick Again

Presence

* Released: March 31, 1976
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 3x Platinum, US Sales: 3,5 million UK Sales: 600,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: Achilles Last Stand, For Your Life, Royal Orleans
o Side 2: Nobody's Fault But Mine, Candy Store Rock, Hots on for Nowhere, Tea for One

In Through the Out Door

* Released: August 15, 1979
* Chart positions: #1 UK, #1 US
* RIAA certification: 6x Platinum, US Sales: 6,5 million UK Sales: 600,000
* Track listing:
o Side 1: In the Evening, South Bound Saurez, Fool in the Rain, Hot Dog
o Side 2: Carouselambra, All My Love, I'm Gonna Crawl

[Птиц]

Studio and live albums

Kiss

Kiss (February 8, 1974) – "Strutter", "Nothin' to Lose", "Firehouse", "Cold Gin", "Let Me Know", "Kissin' Time", "Deuce", "Love Theme From Kiss", "100,000 Years", "Black Diamond"

* RIAA certification – Gold
* Peak chart position – #30 US

Hotter Than Hell (October 22, 1974) – "Got To Choose", "Parasite", "Goin' Blind", "Hotter Than Hell", "Let Me Go, Rock 'N Roll", "All the Way", "Watchin' You", "Mainline", "Comin' Home", "Strange Ways"

* RIAA certification – Gold
* Peak chart position – #67 US

Dressed to Kill (March 19, 1975) – "Room Service", "Two Timer", "Ladies in Waiting", "Getaway", "Rock Bottom", "C'mon and Love Me", "Anything for My Baby", "She", "Love Her All I Can", "Rock and Roll All Nite"

* RIAA certification – Gold
* Peak chart position – #32 US

Alive! (live) (September 10, 1975) – Disc 1: "Deuce", "Strutter", "Got To Choose", "Hotter Than Hell", "Firehouse", "Nothin' to Lose", "C'mon and Love Me", "Parasite", "She" Disc 2: "Watchin' You", "100,000 Years", "Black Diamond", "Rock Bottom", "Cold Gin", "Rock And Roll All Nite", "Let Me Go, Rock 'N Roll"

* RIAA certification – 5x Platinum
* Peak chart position – #9 US

Destroyer (March 15, 1976) – "Detroit Rock City", "King of the Night Time World", "God of Thunder", "Great Expectations", "Flaming Youth", "Sweet Pain", "Shout it Out Loud", "Beth", "Do You Love Me", "Untitled"

* RIAA certification – 2x Platinum
* Peak chart position – #5 US

Rock and Roll Over (November 11, 1976) – "I Want You", "Take Me", "Calling Dr. Love", "Ladies Room", "Baby Driver", "Love 'Em And Leave 'Em", "Mr. Speed", "See You In Your Dreams", "Hard Luck Woman", "Makin' Love"

* RIAA certification – Platinum
* Peak chart position – #11 US

Love Gun (June 30, 1977) – "I Stole Your Love", "Christine Sixteen", "Got Love For Sale", "Shock Me", "Tomorrow and Tonight", "Love Gun", "Hooligan", "Almost Human", "Plaster Caster", "Then She Kissed Me"

* RIAA certification – Platinum
* Peak chart position – #4 US

Alive II (live) (November 28, 1977) – Disc 1: "Detroit Rock City", "King of the Night Time World", "Ladies Room", "Makin' Love", "Love Gun", "Calling Dr. Love", "Christine Sixteen", "Shock Me", "Hard Luck Woman", "Tomorrow And Tonight" Disc 2: "I Stole Your Love", "Beth", "God Of Thunder", "I Want You", "Shout It Out Loud", "All American Man", "Rockin' In The USA", "Larger Than Life", "Rocket Ride", "Any Way You Want It"

* RIAA certification – 2x Platinum
* Peak chart position – #7 US

Dynasty (May 23, 1979) – "I Was Made For Lovin' You", "2,000 Man", "Sure Know Something", "Dirty Livin'", "Charisma", "Magic Touch", "Hard Times", "X-Ray Eyes", "Save Your Love"

* RIAA certification – Platinum
* Peak chart position – #9 US

[Птиц]

Led Zeppelin: 8 studio albums, 6 US #1's, 8 in top 10
1 live album, #2 US

Kiss:7 studio albums, 0 US #1's, 3 in top 10
2 live albums, #9, #7 US

(beginning - 1979)

[7thGuest]

Кисс - первые три альбома не продались, дебют - ок. 75,000 копий, в чартах не был. второй - не поднялся выше 100-го места, 3-й - #32, сертифицирован золотым только через 2 года (продано 500,000 копий) (у Зеппелин 1-й -#10, 2-й - #1 с предв. заказами в 500,000 копий, - 3-й - #1, сертифицирован золотым (500,000 копий) через три дня после выхода)

Примерно та же картина с Аэросмит - первый альбом поднялся не выше 21 го места спустя 2 года 8 мес. после выхода, тогда же сертифицирован золотым, 2-й - 74-е место, золото - полтора года после выхода, 3-й - 11 место. продажи первых двух альбомов пересекли рубеж полмиллиона только после выхода третьего.

С синглами в чартах - ситуация немножко получше:

1973 "Dream On" Pop Singles 59
1976 "Dream On" Pop Singles 6
1975 "Sweet Emotion" Billboard Pop Singles 36
1977 "Walk This Way" Billboard Pop Singles 10

Вывод?

Псис,я справедливости ради скажу.Кисс это явление в мировой музыке.Это самые яркие американские шоумены.По всему миру были и есть клубы Кисс.Ты мне о том,насколько Зеппелины популярны.Зеппелины это самая уникальная груа в мире,но я ведь не о гениальности произведений, я сказал о том,что Кисс это было явление в мире.Продаваемость это раскрутка.Кисс были самая обычной групой которая в НЖ играла свадьбы и бармыцвы.Пока некий Брюс(Бруно) Виллис,когда то солист групы Бед Бойс,у которого идеи подворовывали и Би джи ,и Битлз дал наколку Кисс расскраситься .После чего появились те самые Кисс,которых мы знаем.4 монстра.Псис,не суди о Кисс так с плеча))):34:

[7thGuest]

Полностью поддерживаю Птица.

Если Кисс и Аэросмит считать рок-музыкой, так может и Добрынина присчитаем?

И, по моим наблюдениям, люди, слушающие их шедевры либо из постсоветского пространства и доступа к лучшему не имевшие, либо не обременены интеллектом.

Если Кисс и Аэросмит не рок групы так кто? Ваши выссказывание не более чем выпендреж.
KISS Kiss is an American rock band formed in New York City in 1973. Easily identified by their trademark face paint and stage outfits, the group rose to prominence in the mid-1970s on the basis of their elaborate live performances, which featured fire-breathing, blood spitting, smoking guitars, and pyrotechnics. Kiss has been awarded 24 gold albums to date.[1] The group's worldwide sales exceed 95 million albums.[2][3]

The original lineup of Gene Simmons (bass and vocals), Paul Stanley (rhythm guitar and vocals), Ace Frehley (lead guitar and vocals) and Peter Criss (drums and vocals) is the most successful and identifiable. With their makeup and costumes, they took on the personae of comic book-style characters: the Demon (Simmons), the Star Child (Stanley), the Space Man (Frehley), and the Cat Man (Criss). Due to creative differences, both Criss and Frehley were out of the group by 1982. The band's commercial fortunes had also waned considerably by that point.

In 1983, Kiss abandoned their makeup and enjoyed a commercial resurgence throughout the rest of the decade. Buoyed by a wave of Kiss nostalgia in the 1990s, the band announced a reunion of the original lineup (with makeup) in 1996. The resulting Kiss Alive/Worldwide Tour was the top-grossing act of 1996. Criss and Frehley have since left Kiss again and have been replaced by Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer, respectively. The band continues to perform, while Stanley and Simmons have remained the only two constant members.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgsoJrzplUI
Aerosmith Aerosmith is a prominent American hard rock band, sometimes referred to as "The Bad Boys from Boston"[2] and "America's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"[3][4][5]. Their unique style, rooted in blues-based hard rock, has also come to incorporate elements of pop, heavy metal, glam, and R&B, which has inspired legions of rock artists that came after them. They are the bestselling American hard rock band of all time,[6] having sold 150 million albums worldwide, including 65.5 million albums in the United States alone. They also hold the record for the most gold and multi-platinum albums by an American group.[7] The band has scored 21 Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, nine #1 Mainstream Rock hits, four Grammy awards, and ten Video Music Awards. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2001.

The band was formed in Boston, Massachusetts in 1970. Guitarist Joe Perry and bassist Tom Hamilton, originally in a band together called the Jam Band, met up with singer Steven Tyler, drummer Joey Kramer, and guitarist Ray Tabano, and formed Aerosmith. By 1971, Tabano was replaced by Brad Whitford, and the band began developing a following in Boston. They were signed to Columbia Records in 1972 and released a string of multi-platinum albums, beginning with their 1973 eponymous debut album. In 1975, the band broke into the mainstream with the album Toys in the Attic, and their 1976 follow-up Rocks cemented their status as hard rock superstars. By the end of the 1970s, they were among the most popular hard rock bands in the world and developed a loyal following of fans, often referred to as the "Blue Army". However, drug addiction and internal conflict took its toll on the band, which resulted in the departures of Perry and Whitford, in 1979 and 1981 respectively. They were replaced by Jimmy Crespo and Rick Dufay. The band did not fare well between 1980 and 1984, releasing a lone album, Rock in a Hard Place, which was a critical and commercial flop. Although Perry and Whitford returned in 1984 and the band signed a new deal with Geffen Records, it wasn't until the band sobered up and released 1987's Permanent Vacation that they regained the level of popularity they had experienced in the 1970s. Throughout the late 1980s and 1990s, the band scored several hits and won numerous awards for music from the multi-platinum albums Pump (1989), Get a Grip (1993), and Nine Lives (1997). After 37 years of performing, Aerosmith continues to maintain a high level of popularity and success and continues to tour and record music to this day.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4u5om4xihU