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    Quote Originally Posted by zgorynych View Post
    Наша песня хороша начинай сначала. По моему он уже написал что не должна делать деньги а лечить людей!
    згорыныч, ты об чем?
    это был ответ Димуше про его любимый [HMO].

    ты заблудился
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    Quote Originally Posted by Димуша View Post
    Ну как еще обьяснить нашим уважаемым докторам и докторицам, что страна не может вас себе позволить ( в смысле [afford]). Нету бабок, закончилось лаве.
    значит не будет у тебя возможности пойти к специалистам, сам под себя копаешь
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donat View Post
    у меня [HSA]
    С HDHP? Почему ты это выбрал? Как оно работает? Пользовался ли ты ею уже?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibob3d View Post
    [So there's absolutely nothing we can do about it?]
    дело дрянь и для среднего класса и для докторов.
    либо Обама находит другие источники чтобы платить за неработающих, либо за них будет платить средний класс и мы (в медицине) потеряем в зарплате, что приведёт к падению праймери кеар и многих специалистов у кого львиная доля пациентов - старики.

    невозможно укрыть всех этим одним одеялом, кто-то пострадает всё равно.
    если Обама получит что хочет, то средний класс будет платить за всех так или иначе.
    ему нужна победа любой ценой, за его победу будем платить мы, что бы за него голосовали те же самые люди как и в первый раз, он им должен.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibob3d View Post
    С HDHP? Почему ты это выбрал? Как оно работает? Пользовался ли ты ею уже?
    The premium for an HDHP generally is less than the premium for traditional health insurance. A higher deductible lowers the premium because the insurance company no longer pays for routine healthcare, and insurance underwriters believe that, if Americans see a relationship between medical cost and their bank accounts, they will consume less medical care, shop for lower cost options, and be more vigilant against excess and fraud in the health care industry. Introducing consumer-driven supply and demand and controlling inflation in health care and health insurance were among the government's goals in establishing these plans.

    With HSAs, in catastrophic situations the maximum out-of-pocket expense liability can be less than that of a traditional health plan. This is because a qualified HDHP can cover 100% after the deductible, involving no coinsurance.

    HSAs also give the flexibility not available in some traditional health plans to pay on a pretax basis for qualified medical expense not covered in standard or HSA insurance plans. This may include dental, orthodontics, vision, and non-prescription medications such as aspirin. [13][14]

    HSA accounts also have an advantage over Flexible Spending Accounts since deposits are not necessarily tied to expenses in a particular plan or calendar year. They are automatically rolled over for future medical expenses, or may be used to reimburse qualified expenses from prior years as long as the expense was qualified under an HSA plan at the time incurred. [15]

    Over time, if medical expenses are low and contributions are made regularly to the HSA, the account can accumulate significant assets that can be used for health care tax free or used for retirement on a tax-deferred basis.

    A recent industry survey found that in July 2007 over 80% of HSA plans provided first-dollar coverage for preventive care. This was true of virtually all HSA plans offered by large employers and over 95% of the plans offered by small employers. It was also true of over half (59%) of the plans which were purchased by individuals. All of the plans offered first-dollar preventive care benefits included annual physicals, immunizations, well-baby and well-child care, mammograms and Pap tests; 90% included prostate cancer screenings and 80% included colon cancer screenings.[16]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account
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    Quote Originally Posted by Инквизитор View Post
    Что за супплай?:цонфусед:
    Шприцы,перчатки,бумага для столов,лекарства и ещё много чего,у нас ещё много уходит на прививки.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Инквизитор View Post
    ..за последние 10 лет уже были три снижения выплат врачам
    зарплата врачей пдает, а медикал иншуранс премиумс растут как на дрожжах... куда уходят деньги ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zgorynych View Post
    А где написано что ты должен делать 300К в год а не 50К :цонфусед:

    Звучите как конюхи времён начала 20го века протестующие против автомобилей. Или как продавцы авто ответчиков в эру войсмейла.

    Жизнь меняеца как и всё вокруг. И то что вчера было доходной и беззаботно престижной профессией сегодня уже надо поднапрячься и спесь немного сбить. А завтра может и ишачить в 3 раза больше чтобы получать 50% от позавчерашних доходов.
    Горыныч,а вы хоть раз заикнитесь как,сколько и на чём вы (или такие же как вы) получаете,а мы разберём не завышены ли ваши расценки и стоите ли вы того,что получаете.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallucinogen View Post
    зарплата врачей пдает, а медикал иншуранс премиумс растут как на дрожжах... куда уходят деньги ?
    В HMO например.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donat View Post
    The premium for an HDHP generally is less than the premium for traditional health insurance. A higher deductible lowers the premium because the insurance company no longer pays for routine healthcare, and insurance underwriters believe that, if Americans see a relationship between medical cost and their bank accounts, they will consume less medical care, shop for lower cost options, and be more vigilant against excess and fraud in the health care industry. Introducing consumer-driven supply and demand and controlling inflation in health care and health insurance were among the government's goals in establishing these plans.

    With HSAs, in catastrophic situations the maximum out-of-pocket expense liability can be less than that of a traditional health plan. This is because a qualified HDHP can cover 100% after the deductible, involving no coinsurance.

    HSAs also give the flexibility not available in some traditional health plans to pay on a pretax basis for qualified medical expense not covered in standard or HSA insurance plans. This may include dental, orthodontics, vision, and non-prescription medications such as aspirin. [13][14]

    HSA accounts also have an advantage over Flexible Spending Accounts since deposits are not necessarily tied to expenses in a particular plan or calendar year. They are automatically rolled over for future medical expenses, or may be used to reimburse qualified expenses from prior years as long as the expense was qualified under an HSA plan at the time incurred. [15]

    Over time, if medical expenses are low and contributions are made regularly to the HSA, the account can accumulate significant assets that can be used for health care tax free or used for retirement on a tax-deferred basis.

    A recent industry survey found that in July 2007 over 80% of HSA plans provided first-dollar coverage for preventive care. This was true of virtually all HSA plans offered by large employers and over 95% of the plans offered by small employers. It was also true of over half (59%) of the plans which were purchased by individuals. All of the plans offered first-dollar preventive care benefits included annual physicals, immunizations, well-baby and well-child care, mammograms and Pap tests; 90% included prostate cancer screenings and 80% included colon cancer screenings.[16]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account
    Я это все прочитал уже и потому пришел сюда с дополнительными вопросами

    Ту же сумму (+/-), которую я например сейчас плачу за страховку, я могу платить за HSA & HDHP. И хотя деньги за HDHP улетают как при обычной страховке, деньги за HSA остаюЦЦа. Так?

    Теперь такой момент. Я отложил за N лет какую-то сумму, а потом у меня случилось ЧП. Все, что я отложил, ушло. На след. год у меня на HSA $0, а за ЧП (старое или новое) надо платить. Что будет в этом случае?
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