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    Quote Originally Posted by Shtirliz
    Назови хоть одно [legitimate use] мины, на гражданке.

    /Ты хочеш сказать это туднее полёта на луну;) /
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shtirliz
    I dont think that is true. A thief is an unanticipated tresspasser- you dont owe a duty to unanticipated trespassers.;)

    Homeowners' liability for injuries suffered on their property will vary depending on the legal rules in place in the state where the injury occurred. In some states, the court will focus on the status of the injured visitor in determining the liability of the owner or occupier, i.e. whether that person was an "invitee", "licensee", or "trespasser".

    Trespassers
    Surprising to many homeowners is the fact that a duty of care is also owed to people who have no permission or lawful right to be on the premises. A trespasser is a person who enters the premises of another without express or implied permission of the owner, for the trespasser's own benefit or amusement. A homeowner cannot lawfully prepare pitfalls or traps for a trespasser in order to purposefully injure the trespasser. Once the owner is aware of the trespasser's presence or can reasonably anticipate such presence from the circumstances -- evidence of skateboarders in an unfinished swimming pool would fall into this category -- then the owner has a duty to exercise ordinary care to avoid injuring the trespasser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seapig
    Homeowners' liability for injuries suffered on their property will vary depending on the legal rules in place in the state where the injury occurred. In some states, the court will focus on the status of the injured visitor in determining the liability of the owner or occupier, i.e. whether that person was an "invitee", "licensee", or "trespasser".

    Trespassers
    Surprising to many homeowners is the fact that a duty of care is also owed to people who have no permission or lawful right to be on the premises. A trespasser is a person who enters the premises of another without express or implied permission of the owner, for the trespasser's own benefit or amusement. A homeowner cannot lawfully prepare pitfalls or traps for a trespasser in order to purposefully injure the trespasser. Once the owner is aware of the trespasser's presence or can reasonably anticipate such presence from the circumstances -- evidence of skateboarders in an unfinished swimming pool would fall into this category -- then the owner has a duty to exercise ordinary care to avoid injuring the trespasser.

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    That is exactly what I'm talking about- you just proved my point:D ....A homeowner is owed a duty to all known trespassers. He has no duty to unknown and unanticipated trespassers.

    Certainly no one anticipated that their house will be burglarized, thus no duty is owed to a criminal.

    You wont find a case that states otherwise:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shtirliz
    That is exactly what I'm talking about- you just proved my point:D ....A homeowner is owed a duty to all known trespassers. He has no duty to unknown and unanticipated trespassers.

    Certainly no one anticipated that their house will be burglarized, thus no duty is owed to a criminal.

    You wont find a case that states otherwise:D
    А если он живет в районе где дома грабят каждый день?:D

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    Другими словами вывеска типа "Атеншин, бёрд спаикс, мей кос инджюрис," или что то вроде этого, должно быть достаточно?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapig
    А если он живет в районе где дома грабят каждый день?:D

    Опять же мины закапывать нельзя по-любому.
    Мины нельзя закапывать, если ты ими не владеешь легально. Опять же ИМХО, но отвечать в данном случае чел будет за нелегальное владение/использование мины, а не за убийство/нанесение телесных повреждений.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Жирик
    Другими словами вывеска типа "Атеншин, бёрд спаикс, мей кос инджюрис," или что то вроде этого, должно быть достаточно?
    Если только на них не напорется неграмотный/невладеющий английским, который потом будет мамой клясться, что он не знал, что он "мей кос инджюрис" ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by seapig
    А если он живет в районе где дома грабят каждый день?:Д

    Опять же мины закапывать нельзя по-любому.
    Всё равно это [ unanticipated], если ты [anticipate] ворофф, то ты принимаеш меры, не так ли?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shtirliz
    Назови хоть одно [legitimate use] мины, на гражданке
    Элементарно. Выставочный экземляр в коллекции оружия.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neron
    Если только на них не напорется неграмотный/невладеющий английским, который потом будет мамой клясться, что он не знал, что он "мей кос инджюрис" ;)
    Но, даже если и слепой наколется, то это ведь не криминал. Пусть судятся со страховой компанией и амбрелой до посинения, даже пусь выигрывают :-)
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