Нудизм, порн, секс и наши дети (наши, не обстрактные)

[Ydav]

It's a strange story, But I can not figure out what do Morals have to do with it? it is a simple manner of etecet for your neighbors not expose their bodies to your children... And I am sure that someone who has children should know how to educate their children, also if your neighbors walk around their back-yard naked, that is illegal, and you can sue them, I mean that you can get government protection from thing like that…

But in my personal opinion, "Morali net - eto protso nabor staryx pravil iskusstvenno pridumannyx ogranichennymi ljud'mi..." I would wonder who is truly 'ogranicheni chelovek...

Ydav,

delo v tom chto ja napisal vusheizlozhennyje voprosy special'no starajas' ne pokazat' moej tochki zrenije, chtoby poluchit' otvety ne na moi suzhdenija, a na zadannyje voprosy. U menja pojavilis' eti voprosy iz-za togo, chto ja stolknulsja s situaciej, v kotoroj rebjonok moego druga okazalsja slishkom blizko k tomu chtob videt' nudizm ot sosedej, kotoryx oni chasto naveshajut i kotoryje prosto hodjat golyje u sebja doma i rjadom s domom po vsemu uchastku kogda im zablagorassuditsja (dva malen'kix doma stojat dvadcat' metrov drug ot druga na odnom nerazdeljonnom uchastke). Kogda my poshli pogovorit' s sosedjami chtob poprosit' ih ne hodit' hotja by na ulice golymi kogda rebjonok moego druga doma, oni stali chitat' nam lekciju o tom, chto my ljudi ogrannichennyje i chto detjam nado privivat' svobodnuju ljubov', i t d (sm. vyshe). U samix zhe, kstati, tol'ko chto tozhe rodilsja rebjonok, i v dannoje vremja u nix bytujet mnenije, chto oni mogut delat' vsjo chto zahotjat pered svoim i ljubym drugim rebjonkom, a rebjonok sam/a reshit kak postupat' potom. Vot ja i zadal narodu voprosy po sushestvu zdes' na forume chtob posmotret' kak drugije mogli by ob'jasnit' svoju tochku zrenija. Za nami, konechno, tozhe ne postojalo - my i porugat'sja uspeli s sosjedjami druga moego, i posporit' izrjadno, no poka kazhdyj ostalsja pri svojom mnenii. Pytalis' my im takzhe ob'jasnit' chto libo s moral'nyx i religioznyx tochek zrenija, no - kak ob stenku goroh. Kak razgovarivat' s ljud'mi o, dopustim, seksual'nyx manjakax, vorujushix detej, kogda v otvet poluchaesh "a chto takoje moral? Morali net - eto protso nabor staryx pravil iskusstvenno pridumannyx ogranichennymi ljud'mi..."

Ponimaesh?

[Zmey]

Of course we should all know how to uprase our children, but there some idiots out there, too, who have no idea what the heck is going on in real life, and it's impossible to explain to them anything. If two people who have a kid tell you that they think it's right for their and your kid to be exposed to anything erotic and sexual in their lives from early age - yeah, the only thought is to call the cops next time, even though those may be your good friends... If friends! The thing is, nobody really wants to get into situations like this, trying to resolve everything on the personal level. Anyway's, thank you for your support, Ydav.

[SamiZnaeteKto]

Ydav, dazhe sporit' ne budu s toboj, ibo ty - prav.
Tak nazyvaemaja "Moral'" - ehto edva li ne edinstvennyj faktor, sderzhivajuschij transformaciju cheloveka v sverhcheloveka. I prezhde vsego takaja moral' nuzhna pravitel'stvam, chtoby derzhat' ljudej v uzde.
Odnako, dazhe chelovek, otricajuschij moral' i pytajuschijsja perejti "po tu storonu dobra i zla" ((c) F.Niezshe) dolzhen ponimat', chto pokuda ego okruzhajut drugie ljudi - on dolzhen s nimi schitat'sja, ibo neuvazhenie k nim mozhno rascenivat' kak egoizm, bez pobedy nad kotorym "na tu storonu" ne perejti nikogda.

[Redneck]

А я думал, что мораль это, в основном, и есть уважение прав других людей...

[Ydav]

My friends would not show their dicks to my children...

Of course we should all know how to uprase our children, but there some idiots out there, too, who have no idea what the heck is going on in real life, and it's impossible to explain to them anything. If two people who have a kid tell you that they think it's right for their and your kid to be exposed to anything erotic and sexual in their lives from early age - yeah, the only thought is to call the cops next time, even though those may be your good friends... If friends! The thing is, nobody really wants to get into situations like this, trying to resolve everything on the personal level. Anyway's, thank you for your support, Ydav.

[Zmey]

Yes, you never know what to expect from "friends" sometimes. It's amazing how ignorant some people are, especially if they think that being your friend entitles them to do some stupid shit to you (or your kids in my friend's case).

Moral... that's right, it has nothing to do with a law that government makes. it is not a law. it is coming from the common sense of a human being, present inside every one of us. Moral was not MADE, people! O chom vy govorite! Nikto ne sdelal moral, ne pridumal rjad neestestvennyx pravil po kotorym nado zhit' (ja ne govorju o religii zdes'). Est' ponimanije morali, ili "chto pravi'no i chto nepravil'no". Est' kucha religij, izlagajushix svoi pravila, nekotoryje iz kotoryx sxodjatsja s vnutrenne-chelovecheskimi moral'nymi ustojami. No moral kak takova - eto ne rjad pravil. Eto common sense for the sake of supporting spiritual development of every living person, as each of us understands it inside without reading or hearing any set of rules made up by somebody else. Kak Ydav skazal (hot' ty i sporish so mnoj, no po-moemu my v glavnom sxodimsja) - you wouldn't let anyone touch your kids, etc. And what if every rule, law and "moral" (as a written and/or verbal rule made by some old limited dudes) said that you were wrong, that anyone can do anything to kids they want, that we don't need to upraise them "nravstvennymi" i, naprimer, obrazovannymi, and that the kids decide what they do during their childhood, not you? You wouldn't give a damn. So no matter what rules some old limited or unlimited people have come up with before, or how dictionary defines "moral", you don't care: you know INSIDE OF YOU what's right and what's wrong. That's the real moral. It's not a superficial set of rules. It's what you UNDERSTAND.

Little by little we step away from this real moral, though - that's the sad thing (sex outside marriage, orgies, nudism with kids, porn). That happens because people are either idiots, or because they try to understand what's real moral and what's an old rule...

My two cents. (again)

[Fyokla]

Hotelos by dobabit' neskolko myslei k obsyzhdaemomy voprosy. Vpervye s nudizmom ya stolknylas zhivya v Evrope gde vse plyazhi imeut nude sector. Exposure of breasts, even on the regular beach, ne yavlyaetsa chem-to extraordinary. Vse ludi chustvyut sebya ochen comfortable, dazhe menyaut swimsuits "ne othodya ot kassy". i chasto prihodilos videt ochen zabavnye kartinky, k primery: family nudistov idet pokypat buterbrod cherez normal area, On-vysokii i hydoi, ona-v poloviny ego rostom i ne prosto tolstaya, but extremely fat, a mezhdy nimi ih 15-i syn-podrostok i tozhe nude. Vsya semeika shestvyet s pobednymi litsami. Chestno priznatsa, y menya eta kartina vyzvala otvrashenie, ne bylo v nei nichego sexsyalnogo ili privlekatelnogo. Drygaya kartinka, Karlovy Vary,obshestvennaya banya. Molodaya semya s dvymya malenkimi detmi zalezaet v vanny s mineralnymi vodami. Papa naslazhdaetsa goryachei byrlyashei vodoi i tem chto ego 5 letnyaya dochka igraet s ego penisom. I was speechless. Europeans sovsem ne schitaut nudism chem-to zapretnym. Dlya nih sex-eto prosto kak poobedat. :beer: Deti are awarded about sexual relationships from the early age. No bylo yavno zametno chto pri takom povsemestnom exposure, myzchiny i zhenshiny po suti, yteryali interest k protivopolozhnomy poly kak k sexyalnomy ob'ekty. Vse sliskom dostypno i prosto, razgadyvat nechego. :plach:
Po moemy glybokomy ybezhdeniu, sexyalnoe prityazhenie imenno na etom process i osnovanno. Kogda vse yasno s samogo nachala, ne interesno dazhe nachinat. Odnim slovom, nudism-eto typikovyi put, on neizbezhno vedet k ygasaniu sexualnogo interesa. Nudizm eto svoeobraznyi vyzov, krik-obratite na menya vnimanie, prikrytui slovobludiem o sliyanii s prirodoi. Chto zhe kasaetsa detei i ih "svobodnogo vybora" to eto voobshe koshynstvenno. Chelovek sposoben sdelat vybor tolko togda , kogda on dostigaet soznatelnogo vozrasta, a do etogo on nyzhdaetsa v rykovodstve. K tomy zhe, kak ya yzhe ypomyanyla vyshe, constant exposure of the nude body prityplyaet sexyalnoe vlechenie.
Chto zhe delat' v situation kogda sosedi plyut na tvoyu moral....Wow, slozhnyi vopros. Mozhet byt im stoit kak-to ob'yasnit chto naryady s ih moralyu syshestvyet i drugaya, kotoryu tozhe nyzhno yvazhat? A esli ne poimyt, to nestardantnoe reshenie predlozhil Udav :evrika: - something privlekaushee mosquitos-vot te yzh tochno otsenyat nudistskoye myastso. :xyxwave:

[CatMan]

....... No bylo yavno zametno chto pri takom povsemestnom exposure, myzchiny i zhenshiny po suti, yteryali interest k protivopolozhnomy poly kak k sexyalnomy ob'ekty. Vse sliskom dostypno i prosto, razgadyvat nechego. :plach:
Po moemy glybokomy ybezhdeniu, sexyalnoe prityazhenie imenno na etom process i osnovanno. Kogda vse yasno s samogo nachala, ne interesno dazhe nachinat. Odnim slovom, nudism-eto typikovyi put, on neizbezhno vedet k ygasaniu sexualnogo interesa. Nudizm eto svoeobraznyi vyzov, krik-obratite na menya vnimanie, prikrytui slovobludiem o sliyanii s prirodoi. Chto zhe kasaetsa detei i ih "svobodnogo vybora" to eto voobshe koshynstvenno. Chelovek sposoben sdelat vybor tolko togda , kogda on dostigaet soznatelnogo vozrasta, a do etogo on nyzhdaetsa v rykovodstve. K tomy zhe, kak ya yzhe ypomyanyla vyshe, constant exposure of the nude body prityplyaet sexyalnoe vlechenie.....

Da Vi, kazhetsa, Fyokla, ne sovsem poterani dla muzhskoy polovini :wink:

:good: :ladush: :nrt: :ladush:

[Zmey]

Клево. Пасибо за поддержку, девушка :tongue:

Хоть я и спорю с вашей соседкой на другом топике (по поводу роста... видите ли я сам-то всего 1м 37см ..... шучу), а все-таки благодарен за реальный пример (это я про пенис в бане). Из-за опасения подобного-то я и затеял эту тему здесь. Если своих детей нет, то трудно может быть понять некоторым людям, а у соседей у самих ребенок (пражда, тока родился, так пока не врубаются)... Хорошо было увидеть что вам и всем кто в ней (в теме) принял участие, не все равно.

[newcontinent]

"Жiвые краски - возбуждают лучше любого порно..."