Аль Каида, ИГИЛ - вышедшие из под контроля проекты западных спецслужб

[crazy-mike]

У Пелевина что то такое было, только на русском.)

А почему "исламскую революцию в Иране" никто не называет здесь "вышедшим из под контроля проектом западных спецслужб" ?

[Рэдрик]

You've probably heard or read somewhere that the United States government is responsible for the creation of the renegade Islamist terror organization known as ISIS. It may be tempting to write off the idea as some nutty conspiracy theory, Kremlin propaganda or at least a misinterpretation of the facts, but there is mounting evidence supporting the assertion – even the mainstream media outlets are now covering the story......

For the past year, US, British and other western forces have been back in Iraq, supposedly in the cause of destroying the hyper-sectarian terror group Islamic State (formerly known as al-Qaida in Iraq). This was after Isis overran huge chunks of Iraqi and Syrian territory and proclaimed a self-styled Islamic caliphate.The campaign isn’t going well. Last month, Isis rolled into the Iraqi city of Ramadi, while on the other side of the now nonexistent border its forces conquered the Syrian town of Palmyra. Al-Qaida’s official franchise, the Nusra Front, has also been making gains in Syria.

Some Iraqis complain that the US sat on its hands while all this was going on. The Americans insist they are trying to avoid civilian casualties, and claim significant successes. Privately, officials say they don’t want to be seen hammering Sunni strongholds in a sectarian war and risk upsetting their Sunni allies in the Gulf.

A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria.
Raising the “possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality”, the Pentagon report goes on, “this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)”.

Which is pretty well exactly what happened two years later. The report isn’t a policy document. It’s heavily redacted and there are ambiguities in the language. But the implications are clear enough. A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria


That doesn’t mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it – as the US vice-president, Joe Biden, acknowledged last year. But there was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded. And the US has certainly exploited the existence of Isis against other forces in the region as part of a wider drive to maintain western control.


The calculus changed when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online, and the Gulf states are now backing other groups in the Syrian war, such as the Nusra Front. But this US and western habit of playing with jihadi groups, which then come back to bite them, goes back at least to the 1980s war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, which fostered the original al-Qaida under CIA tutelage.

In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

[crazy-mike]

Война в Ираке

А когда в Ираке вообще был мир ? ( хотя бы с 1967го года )

И почему автор темы не вспоминает о довольно своеобразном режиме "исламских социалистов" в Судане - тем более , что тренировочные лагеря Аль-Каиды ещё до 9/11 размещались как раз на территории Судана. А Судан в то время ( да и сейчас ) является стратегическим партнёром РФ в регионе.

[Adda]

А почему "исламскую революцию в Иране" никто не называет здесь "вышедшим из под контроля проектом западных спецслужб" ?

Всё пошло по плану наверное, нет?)

[Рэдрик]

тот самый документ из Пентагона, о котором говорится в видео и ссылаются в статьях:


http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...-version11.pdf

[crazy-mike]

Всё пошло по плану наверное, нет?)

Да не совсем по плану. Не знаю сотрудничал ли безумный аятолла Хомейни со вторым бюро французской разведки , но слова Буша-младшего о том , что на очереди после Саддама Хуссейна должна быть Франция тогда имели некоторую рациональную основу.

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[Izold]

Война в Ираке - это даже не начало создания террористических организаций на Востоке, это скорее середина
Началось с противостояния с Советами в Афганистане и создания боевых групп моджахедов, которые в дальнейшем преобразовались в Аль-Каиду...

а можно с раздела Оттоманской империи отсчитывать - обидели мухамеддян!