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[Fursetka]

Все мои знакомые таким образом продвигались по работе. Конечно надо действовать по обстоятельствам. Но в Америке как правило с пониманием (и уважением) относятся к людям получившим лучший офер. Более того, если кто-то долго сидит на одном месте, это является свидетельством его невостребованности

я тоже про америку
я в другой странене работала.
и говорила я не о сидении на одном месте

[Fursetka]

вот такое решение проблемы почти всегда. и везде.
[Danger! What you're talking about is looking for a counteroffer, and there is some substantial danger in doing what you're talking about. Here's what I've seen happen in the past:

1) You go to your boss/HR and say, I have another job offer on the table, and I want you to match it if you expect me to stay.

2) They match the offer.

3) They immediately start looking for your replacement.

4) Once your replacement has been hired and trained, they fire you, leaving you ass out with no job at all.

It's not a certainty that this would happen, but I've seen this before. I guess it all depends on your risk tolerance, and how long you could afford to be without a paycheck or health insurance (assuming you're in the US) if it goes badly.



another one:
This is one you have to go with your gut on, but typical advice it to not try to blackmail your company into raising your salary (pay me more, or I'm moving on). Like the counter-offer when you try to quit, your current company might just be using a higher salary to convince you to stick around just long enough for a replacement to be found.

]

[Fursetka]

and more answers:


I agree with IanMorr. Negotiate with your management without mentioning the other job offer, and strictly based on the fact that you aren't being paid what you are worth. If they say that there is nothing they can do, well then, you have to move on.
posted by Roger Dodger

Do not mention the other offer. If you like the company you are at, then you don't want them to mistrust you and think you are disloyal, by saying you have an offer at another place. That might place you on HR's radar of 'not to trust, don't promote' list.

Present facts, statistics, numbers and figures to show how you are worth the money, and how you perform better than everyone else. Keep it rational and persuasive with numbers. You need to convince them why you should be paid more, and you seem to have all the data on your side. Just show your boss the proof.
posted by hellomina


All the advice here is good- some companies see their employees getting other offers as evidence that they have good staff and see it as a positive. They respect the fact that you are being straightforward, and will make a counter offer.

Other companies will see the fact that you dared to go to an interview as a sign of disloyalty and will either let you leave, or match the salary and then look for an excuse to fire you.
posted by gjc

I wouldn't bring up the other job offer. You can argue a case that you should be paid more without bringing that up. You should also be prepared to switch companies if this place isn't willing to budge.
posted by chunking express

[Kapitula]

сидеть и на шуршать, если работа и коллеги устраивают.
от добра добра не ищут.

[Fursetka]

сидеть и на шуршать, если работа и коллеги устраивают.
от добра добра не ищут.

да ладно
15% рэйс и расположение удобнее
чё не шуршать то?

[Kapitula]

да ладно
15% рэйс и расположение удобнее
чё не шуршать то?

а зачем? не такой уж и рейс.

[Fursetka]

а зачем? не такой уж и рейс.

зачем?
ну во первых 15% рэйс это не мало
во вторых, если сидеть на одном месте то многова в карьере не добьёшся.
и в третис, просто почему бы и нет?

[microb]

вот такое решение проблемы почти всегда. и везде.
[Danger! What you're talking about is looking for a counteroffer, and there is some substantial danger in doing what you're talking about. Here's what I've seen happen in the past:

1) You go to your boss/HR and say, I have another job offer on the table, and I want you to match it if you expect me to stay.

2) They match the offer.

3) They immediately start looking for your replacement.

4) Once your replacement has been hired and trained, they fire you, leaving you ass out with no job at all.

It's not a certainty that this would happen, but I've seen this before. I guess it all depends on your risk tolerance, and how long you could afford to be without a paycheck or health insurance (assuming you're in the US) if it goes badly.



another one:
This is one you have to go with your gut on, but typical advice it to not try to blackmail your company into raising your salary (pay me more, or I'm moving on). Like the counter-offer when you try to quit, your current company might just be using a higher salary to convince you to stick around just long enough for a replacement to be found.

]

Наверное все зависит насколько тебя можно заменить кем-то другим. Может на позиции, где надо бумажки перекладывать с одного угла стола на другой это и возможно, но когда речь идет о квалифицированном специалисте, все не так просто. И что бы обучить другого уйдет не пара месяцев, а годы

[Fursetka]

Наверное все зависит насколько тебя можно заменить кем-то другим. Может на позиции, где надо бумажки перекладывать с одного угла стола на другой это и возможно, но когда речь идет о квалифицированном специалисте, все не так просто. И что бы обучить другого уйдет не пара месяцев, а годы

незаменимых, как известно нет
и обучат если надо будет. уж поверьте.

[Fursetka]

и дело даже не в деньгах
возможно компании это даже дороже обойдётся, нанять нового человека. очень часто там надо хэд хантеру заплатить, опять же трэйнать новенького и так далее
дело в том, что такой шантаж просто не приемлим. и за это наказывают. избавляются от таких людей.