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    На дне океана, оказывается, есть горы, которые способствуют перемешиванию вод в глобальном масштабе, влияя на климат и поглощение СО2. О оказывается, что без учета этого явления все компьютерные модели потеплистов не стоят выкуренного потеплистами же косяка марихуаны. Офигеть, а еще вчера казалось, что потеплисты знают и понимают климат как свои пять пальцев.

    http://www.hngn.com/articles/12718/2...ing-solves.htmResearchers have finally figured out how deep and mid-depth Antarctic Ocean waters are mixed, the phenomenon has a large impact on the global climate.

    "[The researchers] found that sea water mixes dramatically as it rushes over undersea mountains in Drake Passage - the channel between the southern tip of South America and the Antarctic continent. Mixing of water layers in the oceans is crucial in regulating the Earth's climate and ocean currents," a University of Exeter press release reported.

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    The ocean's churning waters control the distribution of carbon dioxide throughout the deep sea, and determine how much of the atmospheric substance it will take in. The ocean has the ability to "suck up" all of the carbon humans have released into the atmosphere by storing it in the deep waters.

    How the water mixes can also affect how much heat moves towards the poles, which could have a drastic influence on climate.

    The Researchers made the groundbreaking discovery by releasing small amounts of an "inert chemical tracer" into some of the world's most treacherous waters. The method allowed the team to measure mixing in the Southern Ocean by tracing the chemical's journey through the Drake Passage over the course of several years.

    They found that vertical mixing was almost non-existent in the Pacific Ocean, but when the water passed over the giant underwater mountains and through the Drake Passage it started to "mix dramatically."

    "A thorough understanding of the process of ocean mixing is crucial to our understanding of the overall climate system. Our study indicates that virtually all the mixing in the Southern Ocean occurs in Drake Passage and at a few other undersea mountain locations. Our study will provide climate scientists with the detailed information about the oceans that they currently lack," Professor Andrew Watson of the University of Exeter, said.
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    Default модели потеплистов не стоят выкуренного потеплистами же косяка марихуаны ...

    у меня навязчивое впечатление, что у чела какое-то эмоционально-личное отношение к отдельной научной сфере - климатологии

    причем конкретно однобокое... не было случая, чтоб он привел хоть один пример, подтверждающий существование ГП
    вернее были такие примеры, но лишь потому, что автор не догнал о чем именно говорилось в цитируемых статьях

    а так - нет

    и еще какая то ненормальная тяга к лехким наркотикам... практически в каждом своем опусе он о них упоминает и фантазирует
    особенно по весне...

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    Если глобальное потепление доказано-передоказано, зачем хронически подкреплять доказательства ложью?

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    World's top climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years

    • Leaked United Nations report reveals the world's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years
    • Politicians have raised concerns about the final draft
    • Fears that the findings will encourage deniers of man-made climate change

    Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.


    A leaked copy of a United Nations report, compiled by hundreds of scientists, shows politicians in Belgium, Germany, Hungary and the United States raised concerns about the final draft.
    Published next week, it is expected to address the fact that 1998 was the hottest year on record and world temperatures have not yet exceeded it, which scientists have so far struggled to explain.
    The report is the result of six years’ work by UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is seen as the world authority on the extent of climate change and what is causing it – on which governments including Britain’s base their green policies.


    Concerns: Scientists have been urged to cover up the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years amid fears it would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change



    But leaked documents seen by the Associated Press, yesterday revealed deep concerns among politicians about a lack of global warming over the past few years.
    Germany called for the references to the slowdown in warming to be deleted, saying looking at a time span of just 10 or 15 years was ‘misleading’ and they should focus on decades or centuries.

    The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has changed its tune after issuing stern warnings about climate change for years




    Hungary worried the report would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change.
    Belgium objected to using 1998 as a starting year for statistics, as it was exceptionally warm and makes the graph look flat - and suggested using 1999 or 2000 instead to give a more upward-pointing curve.

    The United States delegation even weighed in, urging the authors of the report to explain away the lack of warming using the ‘leading hypothesis’ among scientists that the lower warming is down to more heat being absorbed by the ocean – which has got hotter.The last IPCC ‘assessment report’ was published in 2007 and has been the subject of huge controversy after it had to correct the embarrassing claim that the Himalayas would melt by 2035.
    It was then engulfed in the ‘Climategate’ scandal surrounding leaked emails allegedly showing scientists involved in it trying to manipulate their data to make it look more convincing – although several inquiries found no wrongdoing.
    The latest report, which runs to 2,000 pages, will be shown to representatives from all 195 governments next week at a meeting in Stockholm, who can discuss alterations they want to make.
    But since it was issued to governments in June, they have raised hundreds of objections about the 20-page summary for policymakers, which sums up the findings of the scientists.
    What it says will inform renewable energy policies and how much consumers and businesses will pay for them.
    The report is expected to say the rate of warming between 1998 and 2012 was about half of the average rate since 1951 – and put this down to natural variations such as the El Nino and La Nina ocean cycles and the cooling effects of volcanoes.


    A leaked copy of the United Nations report, compiled by hundreds of scientists, shows politicians in Belgium, Germany, Hungary and the United States have raised concerns about the final draft. Above, the United Nations headquarters building in New York


    A German climate scientist - Stefan Rahmstorf, who reviewed the chapter on sea levels - yesterday admitted it was possible the report’s authors were feeling under pressure to address the slowdown in warming due to the ‘public debate’ around the issue.
    The draft report, which is not new research but a synthesis of all the work being done by scientists around the world, is likely to be highly disputed at the three-day meeting.
    It will make the case that humans are causing global warming with carbon emissions even more strongly upgrading it from ‘very likely’ in 2007 to ‘extremely likely’ it is manmade.
    But scientists are under pressure to explain why the warming has not exceeded 1998 levels although the decade 2000-2010 was the hottest on record.
    Alden Meyer, of the Union of Concerned Scientists based in Washington, said yesterday: ‘I think to not address it would be a problem because then you basically have the denialists saying: ‘Look the IPCC is silent on this issue.’
    Jonathan Lynn, a spokesman for the IPCC said yesterday: ‘This is the culmination of four years’ work by hundreds of scientists, where governments get a chance to ensure the summary for policymakers is clear and concise in a dialogue with the scientists who wrote it, and have the opportunity to raise any topics they think should be highlighted.’
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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    Если глобальное потепление доказано-передоказано, зачем хронически подкреплять доказательства ложью?
    А вот это уже хороший пример того, когда дело не в ученых, а в политиках, пытающихся вмешаться в науку.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_3112 View Post
    А вот это уже хороший пример того, когда дело не в ученых, а в политиках, пытающихся вмешаться в науку.
    Откуда ты черпаешь свою информацию об исследованиях климата? Обыватель пользуется CNN, Yahoo Science и т.п. -все эти ресурсы плотно политизированы, и, ПММ, сознательно занимаются дезинформацией публики.
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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    Откуда ты черпаешь свою информацию об исследованиях климата? Обыватель пользуется CNN, Yahoo Science и т.п. -все эти ресурсы плотно политизированы, и, ПММ, сознательно занимаются дезинформацией публики.
    Ресурс может быть политизирован, но если внимательно вникать, то можно увидеть, где кончаются факты и начинаются гипотезы.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_3112 View Post
    Ресурс может быть политизирован, но если внимательно вникать, то можно увидеть, где кончаются факты и начинаются гипотезы.
    Я понимаю, что факты говорят сами за себя. Если для поддержки фактов требуется подтасовка, пропаганда и шельмование оппонентов, то это уже не факты. Зададимся вопросом - что именно являлось объектом подтасовки в недавних скандалах? Вот это самое и есть гипотеза, притом шаткая
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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    Я понимаю, что факты говорят сами за себя. Если для поддержки фактов требуется подтасовка, пропаганда и шельмование оппонентов, то это уже не факты. Зададимся вопросом - что именно являлось объектом подтасовки в недавних скандалах? Вот это самое и есть гипотеза, притом шаткая
    Вот именно, почему климатоскептики предпочитают заниматься именно этим?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_3112 View Post
    Вот именно, почему климатоскептики предпочитают заниматься именно этим?
    ??? Это ответ по типу "сам дурак", что ли? Воля ваша. Я сейчас читал об отчете IPCC на Йахуу, а потом комментарии. Большинство верно указывает на неувязки и игнорирование неудобных фактов потеплистами, и отражают общее раздражение и презрение к очередному неуловкому пропагандистскому пасквилю от IPCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by In2HiDef View Post
    ??? Это ответ по типу "сам дурак", что ли? Воля ваша. Я сейчас читал об отчете IPCC на Йахуу, а потом комментарии. Большинство верно указывает на неувязки и игнорирование неудобных фактов потеплистами, и отражают общее раздражение и презрение к очередному неуловкому пропагандистскому пасквилю от IPCC.
    Я говорю по поводу климатической дискуссии вообще. Обвинять в чем-то потеплистов, подразумевая при этом, что сами скептики белые и пушистые, по меньшей мере странно.

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