Universal Healthcare Reform

[бубенчиков]

I thought irresponsible financial policies did? If we can call it "ruined".

Рейган инициировал [irresponsible policies] т.е. разорение казны и раздачу денег корпорациям. Сейчас корпорации вообще не стесняются берут из казны сколько им потребуется в виде т.е. bailouts

[Mayhem05]

Президент Обама начинает серьёзно двигать к реформе мед обслуживания

Хотелось бы услышать что про это думают форумчане
/только пожалуйста, без обливания грязи и выливания помоев/

Поделитесь своими за и против, что нра что не нра, что бы вы хотели изменить и как это более реально сделать

Relax!

Quit paying your insurance premiums.

Free health care is here.

The doctor will see you now.

[Bibob3d]

Я давно хотел написать про якобы бесплатные услуги 911, но никак не мог найти их счет, который они мне прислали. Но сегодня в офисе случайно наткнулся на счет, который они прислали одному из наших клиентов. Счет от LA City Fire Department за услуги парамедиков и за транспортировку (mileage). Кто еще хочет что-то сказать про эти якобы бесплатные услуги? :rolleyes:

PS А вот про "бесплатное" тушение пожаров: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fire-...9736696&page=1. Статья совсем свежая

[zvizda]

Companies providing life and health insurance owned $1.9 billion worth of stock in the fast-food industry as of June 11, 2009, researchers reported online in the American Journal of Public Health.

The investments were in the five largest fast-food corporations -- Jack in the Box, McDonald's, Burger King, Yum! Brands (KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, and others), and Wendy's/Arby's, according to J. Wesley Boyd of Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance in Massachusetts and colleagues.

"The insurance industry, ostensibly, appears to be concerned about people's health and well-being," Boyd said.

But, he said, "If the insurance industry is willing to invest in products known to be harmful and/or kill people then, prima facie, this is not an industry that actually cares about health and well-being."

Although Boyd acknowledged that fast food can be consumed responsibly, he said the aggregate evidence points toward a negative effect on public health."

[zvizda]

Bibob3d, не уверена насчёт пожарников, но услуги парамедиков/транспортировка не бесплатные. Почему так? Go figure.

[Bibob3d]

Bibob3d, не уверена насчёт пожарников, но услуги парамедиков/транспортировка не бесплатные. Почему так? Go figure.

Я знаю, что не бесплатные. Ни парамедики, ни пожарники. К чему это я написал? К тому, что кто-то тут писал, что есть государственная бесплатная служба - 911, и что медицина тоже должна быть бесплатной государственной. Well, it turns out 911 is not free

[untamed]

Я знаю, что не бесплатные. Ни парамедики, ни пожарники. К чему это я написал? К тому, что кто-то тут писал, что есть государственная бесплатная служба - 911, и что медицина тоже должна быть бесплатной государственной. Well, it turns out 911 is not free

Of course not! It never was.

Хуже другое. Сейчас частные insurance companies обнаглеют и будет полнейший произвол, до тех пор пока не издадут закон, ставящий "потолок" для premiums.

Или я что-то пропустила?

[nyccard]

[QUOTE=untamed;4030402]Of course not! It never was.

Хуже другое. Сейчас частные insurance companies обнаглеют и будет полнейший произвол, до тех пор пока не издадут закон, ставящий "потолок" для premiums.

Или я что-то пропустила?[/QUOTE]

Obamacare.

[Bibob3d]

Of course not! It never was.

Понимаешь, я был очень удивлен, когда узнал об этом. Потому что я считал, что им платят зарплаты с денег налогоплательщиков. И есть пожар или нету пожара, есть вызов скорой помощи или нету вызова скорой помощи - эту зарплату они все равно получат. И когда оказалось, что я должен еще за что-то заплатить после того, как я уже заплатил налоги, я был неприятно удивлен. А если это происходит по той причие, что у государства не хватает средств или оно ими неправильно распоряжаеЦЦа, то я сомневаюсь, что с гос. медициной все будет хорошо.

[Инквизитор]

You want to have it both ways

Dear Mr. and Mrs. America,

You live in one of the greatest countries on earth, one of the richest ones, yet arguably not one of the best for medicine. You may question why that is. I think I may have some answers. Essentially, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

When you are sick or injured, you want the best health care money can buy. But you want someone else to pay for it. You feel should not be made to pay for things that are not your fault, as you perceive it.

When you do not feel you have gotten the best health care someone else's money can buy, you scream, yell, threaten and generally act like a child. Then you demand to be respected as an adult. You take the same approach to "free" care, such as telephone calls, disability paperwork and public aid.

When your treatment does not go as you planned, you want to keep the legal option to sue a doctor for "everything he's got", but want to keep "good" doctors in your community so you don't have to drive 6 hours to get your brain tumor operated on.

You want to be able to drink and smoke as much as you want, and then when years of beating the crap out of yourself makes its presence known, you want us to rescue you. We told you 40 years ago not to smoke. Now you want us to save your life from the CAD, emphysema and lung cancer you caused.

You want to drive a car at 90 mph while drunk, "because I'm having fun" but want us to put all the pieces back together when the inevitable happens.

You want a single-dose pill to take care of anything that ails you, aka the "magic pill." But you complain about the realistic medications you will need to take every day for the rest of your life. 20 years ago, these pills did not exist and you would have had only a few years left to live. Now we can keep you around for many more years for you to keep complaining about the pills you have to take.

You complain about the 3 anti-hypertensives, the 2 cholesterol-lowering drugs, the glucophage and other pills keeping you alive and adding years to your life, while refusing to quit smoking, cut down the drinking, eat healthier and get some exercise once in a while.

You spend a ton of money on highly-processed, marginally-tasteful, completely unhealthy food, and then ask us for a pill to help you lose weight. 90% of the treadmills you own are collecting dust or acting as coat racks.

You want a "lifestyle" pill for every unpleasant symptom you have. You'd rather not do the therapies that can effectively treat your insomnia, you just want a sleeping pill. Besides, all those commercials on TV for Ambien, Sonata and the others tell you you are entitled to a good night's sleep, by pill if necessary.

You use the ER as your primary care provider, then complain about the wait to be seen there for a URI.

You give us vague complaints, with vague histories and onsets of symptoms and then ask us to make a specific diagnosis.

You demand tests without any knowledge of what "false-positive" means or its potential implications for you. You don't consider the downside of testing.

You have asked for, and now get "informed consent" before any treatment, but don't want to be held responsible for your part in the decision-making process when things don't go well.

Birth control is an option, one you have often declined to use. Now the rest of us get the pleasure of helping to pay for that little bundle of joy you didn't want and the "father" declines to acknowledge. Hopefully we can help you finish your GED so you can meaningfully contribute to society rather than live off of it.

You want to legalize marijuana, "because it's safer than alcohol" or so you think. Two bad things apparently make one good thing.

You want opioids to be available anytime you deem your pain severe us to deserve them, but don't want us to restrict them simply because a bunch of yahoos use the recreationally or for income. The fact that we have been burned so many times by so many people should have no bearing on you, the seemingly-legitimate pain patient.

You want us to trust you implicitly to follow our recommendations, yet you don't trust us enough to finish taking an antibiotic for 10 days when we tell you to. Many times you don't even trust us enough fill the prescriptions we write.

You take whatever the guy at GNC says you should take, and pay him ridiculous amounts of money for unproven therapies, then question us on every potential side effect for anything we prescribe that has gone through a full FDA approval process. And you reserve the right to sue us and the pill manufacturer (and the pharmacist who sold it to you) should you have a side-effect from it, even if we warned you about it.

You argue with us about co-pays, deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses that we have no control over. Take it to your insurance company or employer.

You want your doctor available 24/7/365, but you want him or her to be well-rested when you come in.

You raise hell when you are made to wait 15 minutes in the waiting room, while your fellow citizens arrive 20 minutes late, with 3 young kids in tow for the annual pap smear. You then want to take up 30 minutes of my time addressing every health concern you have despite booking only one 15-minute time slot.

Unfortunately, Mr. and Mrs. America, you cannot have things both ways. You cannot have "free" healthcare that covers anything and everything. You cannot have an unhealthy lifestyle and expect to be kept healthy by us.

You have been given the knowledge and resources to prevent or treat most any disease or injury known to man, and you have declined the opportunities repeatedly. Instead, you have opted for the "quick fix" so you can get back to your life of self-destruction.

And I'll still be here, for a while anyway, trying to fix the things you've broken.