Ну все, понеслась! :)

[Манюня]

тут кстате интересно
некоторая статистика по получению убежища русских геев
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...16692141360158

[Neron]

докатилисьтаки...до собачек

я так и знала

Бес сабачик о гомо низзя никаг. Это наша форумская традиция

[Neron]

а зачем тебе надежный гей ?
в разведку ? или что ?

Ну как тебе сказать... Вот возьмем Сноудена. Он, как оказалось, не просто гей, а еще и пи...ас. А ему гос.секреты доверили. И вот результат.

Щитаю, что практика КГБ "геев не брать в разведку" имеет под собой железобетонное основание. Потому что закомплексованного человека проще шантажировать и вообще увести с пути праведного.

[Neron]

тут кстате интересно
некоторая статистика по получению убежища русских геев
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...16692141360158

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[Манюня]

попробую тут скопировать

Artem Mitrofanov came to the U.S. with scars of growing up gay in Russia. Some were literal, such as the one on his wrist from the day he says a skinhead slashed him with a broken bottle. Others were internal, including pains in his kidney, which he says are the result of being beaten by assailants wielding religious icons who told him he should die.

Still others were psychological. "If you're gay, that's it. It's like a mark on you," said Mr. Mitrofanov, who is 27 and from Moscow. His solution was to leave. He applied for asylum in the U.S. in 2009 and won refuge in 2010.

Such departures may become more common as Russia moves ahead with controversial antigay regulations, which have led some to call for a boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi. President Vladimir Putin in late June signed into law the so-called gay propaganda bill, which punishes those who publicly inform minors that "nontraditional relationships" are OK. Other new laws ban adoptions by same-sex couples and criminalize actions that insult the "religious feelings" of Russian believers.

Though there are no official statistics on the number of Russians seeking asylum in the U.S. on grounds of their sexual orientation, there is some suggestion applications could be on the rise.

Immigration Equality, the largest organization in the U.S. devoted to helping gay asylum seekers, has fielded an increasing number of inquiries from Russia. It received 63 inquiries from Russians in 2012, up from 35 in 2011. This year, there have been 32 inquires through mid-June. The group is currently handling 28 cases for Russians.

"We have had a handful of Russians per year, but over the last couple of years that number has really shot up," said Victoria Neilson, Immigration Equality's legal director. She said the group still handles the most asylum claims from Jamaica, where unlike Russia sexual relationships between men are illegal and punishable by up to a decade in prison.

The U.S. has had a policy of awarding asylum to gay applicants on the basis of persecution fears since 1994. Asylum seekers present an application that notes their sexuality and reasons they fear persecution. It often includes letters from friends or family and medical records for victims of attacks.

Ms. Neilson said there is no "magic formula" for an applicant to prove to an adjudicator that he or she is gay but "detailed, credible testimony can be sufficient." Successful claimants cannot return to Russia even temporarily, or they would risk jeopardizing their status with U.S. authorities, she said.

Rob Hughes, an immigration lawyer in Vancouver who advises gay clients on asylum in Canada, said he received two such claims from Russian men recently after more than a decade of seeing no Russian applications.

Alexander Kargaltsev, a 28-year-old Russian gay activist and filmmaker who received U.S. asylum, said he used to receive about one message a month from gay contacts in Russia asking how to seek asylum abroad. But this summer he said the number has climbed to practically one a day.

Mr. Kargaltsev believes it is a response to what he sees as Russia's increasing intolerance of homosexuality—part of a growing campaign against Western liberal values that has become a prominent feature of Russian politics since Mr. Putin's return to the presidency in 2012.

The new Russian laws come on the heels of local antigay regulations, such as the Moscow government's decision in 2012 to ban gay pride parades for a century. The Russian Orthodox Church's leader, Patriarch Kirill, last month described gay marriage as "a very dangerous sign of the apocalypse."

Such moves are popular in Russia, where gay sex has been legal since 1993 but homosexuality remains largely taboo. According to an April survey by the Levada Center, 73% of respondents said the government should suppress public expressions of homosexuality.

Some say the emphasis on anti-gay regulations helps the Kremlin undercut support for the pro-Western urban elite that recently helped mount the biggest protests to threaten Mr. Putin's rule. Many of the protesters are among the minority of Russians who support gay rights.

"To the extent Kremlin spokesmen can paint the protesters as culturally alien, Putin wins," Daniel Treisman, a political-science professor at the University of California Los Angeles, wrote in an article for Foreign Affairs. "His greatest nightmare is that Moscow and the provinces will unite against him on issues such as economic performance or corruption."

Mr. Putin notes that gay sexual relations are legal in Russia.

"Many countries, such as those in Europe, don't think it's necessary to protect children from this," he said in June. "Fine, then don't. We're not going to interfere with your issues. But we will guard against this just like the deputies in the national parliament decided."

A 25-year-old gay Russian from the city of Chelyabinsk, who received asylum in the U.S. in 2009, recalled being beaten and left unconscious in the snow until a neighbor found him. After weeks in the hospital, he assumed the police would find his attackers—who called him by name—but he said authorities did nothing and appeared to side with his assailants.

Despite such incidents, some in Russia's gay community—particularly in Moscow, the country's biggest and arguably most cosmopolitan city—aren't prepared to leave just yet.

I have too many friends and ties where I live, and so far those ties are stronger than the fear I have," said Valery Pecheykin, a 28-year-old Moscow playwright. "Once the fear becomes greater—if it becomes greater—then I will probably be forced to make that decision."

He said for now it is possible for gay Russians to live in Moscow in a "closed space," though the situation is worse in Russia's regions, and even in the capital, many steer clear of public expressions of affection due to fear.

For Mr. Mitrofanov, who was assisted by an organization called Human Rights First and now lives in New York, where he works in fashion, that atmosphere wasn't OK. "I just asked myself if I want to live a normal life," he said. "I want to live my own life, and not be scared all the time when I go out on the street."

[Dima424]

Животное тоже кстати согласие дать не может. Есть статься даже за "Это"

это уже будет задача гринписевцев...

[Манюня]

здесь 9ый округ поддержал убежище для русского гомосексуалиста
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...an-5019953.php

[Dima424]

Though there are no official statistics on the number of Russians seeking asylum in the U.S. on grounds of their sexual orientation, there is some suggestion applications could be on the rise.

[Манюня]

да, там ещё фигура с цифраме
я вам её не стала копировать

на их месте я б обязательно подавала, а чё
все основания для этого есть

[Dima424]

да, там ещё фигура с цифраме
я вам её не стала копировать

на их месте я б обязательно подавала, а чё
все основания для этого есть

дак, пусть подают, под шумок, может проскочат...

никто же не спорит что геям было не легко...