Ернесто Гевара

[LaFemmeGavrila]

Well, just because Che didn't live long enough -- doesn't mean the shoe will not fit. :wink:

we do not wanna say "if he lived longer"... He lived what he lived.
He did not hide behind his people and he died like a man. I'm not saying I agree with the reasons, only I respect him

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He did not hide behind his people and he died like a man.

He did not hide behind his people, but he was a misanthrope and treated his people as dispensable. In any event, he was willing to use the nukes against major cities in the United States even though his own people would be immediately annihillated. In his interview he said that it's the principle of the thing that's important. In short, a mass murderer.

[msn]

I think he was a d*ck, pardon my French.

Just because he had a d*ck does not mean he was a d*ck. :lol:

[LaFemmeGavrila]

He did not hide behind his people, but he was a misanthrope and treated his people as dispensable. In any event, he was willing to use the nukes against major cities in the United States even though his own people would be immediately annihillated. In his interview he said that it's the principle of the thing that's important. In short, a mass murderer.

I wanna repeat myself - I do not agree with his reasons and ideas (at least in a way they were brought to me), but he answered his words and died like a man - I respect him for that

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Is accountability always sufficient? What about Timothy McVeigh?

[BOP B 3AKOHE]

In any event, he was willing to use the nukes against major cities in the United States even though his own people would be immediately annihillated. .... In short, a mass murderer.

So you equate willingness to commit murder to the actual murder? And who, besides yourself, calls you a lawyer? :smoke:

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So you equate willingness to commit murder to the actual murder?

I equate the state of mind of one willing to commit murder with the state of mind of one willing to commit murder and availing himself of the opportunity to do so. External circumstances beyond the person's control which either do or do not permit him to satisfy his urges do not change the urges themselves; they do not, without more, alter mentality. We are talking about objective reality here -- not about the quantum of proof necessary convict someone of murder in the court of law. These are two completely different things. As we previously discussed: it is the state of mind and the act of killing which make one a murderer -- not the fact of getting caught and convicted.

And who, besides yourself, calls you a lawyer? :smoke:

Well, lemmi see: the State of New York, for one. The State of New Jersey, for two. I could have gotten North Dakota as well, but was too lazy to fill out the papers.

[LaFemmeGavrila]

r we talking about Comandante Che or American militia?

What McVeigh did (and how he did that) is a cowardness and disgust. How he died - I respect that too.

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r we talking about Comandante Che or American militia?

I don't know -- which one of them expressed the urge to use nukes to annihillate a few million civillians?

[LaFemmeGavrila]

Verbatim, I'm sure no more what we are talking about))))