Холокост и его ревизия. Было или не было?

[Leon93]

интересно, а если понизить число умерщвлённых евреев до 4-х миллионов, или даже до 1.5, количество отрицателей холокоста тоже уменьшится? похоже, что вся фишка в цифре 6! .

Не только уменьшится, но и исчезнет вообще. Если конечно цифра будет реальной.

Ведь ревизионизм отрицает три вещи:

1. Колличество ( 6 млн)
2. Метод уничтожения( например газовые камеры)
3. Наличие официального высшего руководства Германии приказа уничтожать людей по национальному признаку.

[Leon93]

Кто мешает нам, славянам делать тоже самое? .

Не кто, а что. Совесть.

(Хм..а в английском и слова-то такого нет однако..)

[HoneyComb]

Не только уменьшится, но и исчезнет вообще. Если конечно цифра будет реальной.

Ведь ревизионизм отрицает три вещи:

1. Колличество ( 6 млн)
2. Метод уничтожения( например газовые камеры)
3. Наличие официального высшего руководства Германии приказа уничтожать людей по национальному признаку.

The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of the systematic genocide of European Jews during World War II, resulting in the most deadly phase of the Holocaust. According to historians at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, “The Nazis frequently used euphemistic language to disguise the true nature of their crimes. They used the term “Final Solution” to refer to their plan to annihilate the Jewish people.”Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it "the final solution of the Jewish question"
This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made either by the time of or at the Wannsee Conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942. It occurred very shortly after the Babi Yar massacre was carried out and the conference was chaired by Reinhard Heydrich. He was acting under the authority given to him by Reichsmarschall Göring in a letter dated July 31, 1941. Göring instructed Heydrich to devise "...the solution of the Jewish problem..." During the conference, there was a discussion by the group of Nazi officials as how best to handle the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question". A surviving copy of the minutes of this meeting[2] was found by the Allies in 1947, too late to serve as evidence during the first Nuremberg Trials.

[Leon93]

Йето опять всё литературные рассказы. Приказ где?? Чтоб с подписью и печатью. И ненадо только про то что говорили одни слова, а все понимали что они означают другие. ЙЕдак машинист поведет паравоз в другую сторону от концлагеря..

[HoneyComb]

The relevant text is a handwritten cover letter, by Reinhard Heydrich to Martin Luther of the Foreign Office, dated February 26, 1942, forwarding the minutes of the Wannsee Conference. In the opening sentence Heydrich explicitly uses the expression, "the final solution to the Jewish question".[13] The following is a translation of the letter from German to English:
Dear Fellow Party Member [Parteigenosse] Luther!
Enclosed I am sending you the minutes of the proceedings that took place on January 20, 1942.
Since the basic position regarding the practical execution of the final solution of the Jewish question has fortunately been established by now, and since there is a full agreement on the part of all agencies involved. I would like to ask you at the request of the Reich Marshal to make one of your specialist officials available for the necessary discussion of details in connection with the completion of the draft that shows the organizational, technical and material prerequisites bearing on the actual starting point of the projected solutions.
I want to schedule the first discussion along these lines for 10:30 a.m. on March 6, 1942 at 116 Kurfürstenstrasse, Berlin. I therefore ask you that for this purpose your specialist official contact my functionary in charge there, SS-Obersturmbannführer Eichmann.

[Leon93]

Понятно, т.е он просил выделить денег на перевоз германских евреев на МАдагаскар.

Про убийство миллионами ничего в тексте не вижу.

[Serge7]

Добавьте к этому Эйзенхауера, который отказался принять евреев, пытавшихся найти спасение в США. Для полноты картины, так сказать.:27:

Увы, этот американский немец, много помочь в этом вопросе не мог.. Но, он был хороший полководец, хороший президент. Надо отдать должное.

[HoneyComb]

Йето опять всё литературные рассказы. Приказ где?? Чтоб с подписью и печатью. И ненадо только про то что говорили одни слова, а все понимали что они означают другие. ЙЕдак машинист поведет паравоз в другую сторону от концлагеря..

печать? тебе мало минут?

[HoneyComb]

Понятно, т.е он просил выделить денег на перевоз германских евреев на МАдагаскар.

Про убийство миллионами ничего в тексте не вижу.

the decision was made by Hitler on December 12, 1941, when he addressed a meeting of the Nazi Party (the Reichsleiter) and of regional party leaders (the Gauleiter). In his diary entry of December 13, 1941, the day after Hitler’s private speech, Joseph Goebbels wrote:
Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer is determined to clear the table. He warned the Jews that if they were to cause another world war, it would lead to their own destruction. Those were not empty words. Now the world war has come. The destruction of the Jews must be its necessary consequence. We cannot be sentimental about it. It is not for us to feel sympathy for the Jews. We should have sympathy rather with our own German people. If the German people have to sacrifice 160,000 victims in yet another campaign in the east, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their lives.[7]
Echoing his above statements along with the January 30, 1939 speech by Hitler, in an article written in 1943 entitled "The War and the Jews", he wrote:
None of the Führer's prophetic words has come so inevitably true as his prediction that if Jewry succeeded in provoking a second world war, the result would be not the destruction of the Aryan race, but rather the wiping out of the Jewish race. This process is of vast importance, and will have unforeseeable consequences that will require time. But it can no longer be halted. It must only be guided in the right direction.[8]
After this decision, plans were made to put the Final Solution into effect. For example, on December 16, 1941, at a meeting of the officials of the General Government, Hans Frank referred to Hitler's speech as he described the coming annihilation of the Jews:
As for the Jews, well, I can tell you quite frankly that one way or another we have to put an end to them. The Führer once put it this way: if the combined forces of Judaism should again succeed in unleashing a world war, that would mean the end of the Jews in Europe. ...I urge you: Stand together with me ... on this idea at least: Save your sympathy for the German people alone. Don't waste it on anyone else in the world, ... I would therefore be guided by the basic expectation that they are going to disappear. They have to be gotten rid of. At present I am involved in discussions aimed at having them moved away to the east. In January there is going to be an important meeting in Berlin to discuss this question. I am going to send State Secretary Dr. Buhler to this meeting. It is scheduled to take place in the offices of the RSHA in the presence of Obergruppenführer Heydrich. Whatever its outcome, a great Jewish emigration will commence. But what is going to happen to these Jews? Do you imagine there will be settlement villages for them in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: Why are you making all this trouble for us? There is nothing we can do with them here in the Ostland or in the Reich Commissariat. Liquidate them yourselves! ... Here are 3.5 million Jews that we can't shoot, we can't poison. But there are some things we can do, and one way or another these measures will successfully lead to a liquidation. They are related to the measures under discussion with the Reich.... Where and how this will all take place will be a matter for offices that we will have to establish and operate here. I will report to you on their operation at the appropriate time.[9]

[Leon93]

Никакие минуты приказом не являются. Тем более что про убийства в них не слова.

Отправить французких евреев в концлагеря денег стоило. Немцы оплачивали железнодорожные билеты. Кто ж по таким минутам деньги выделит?? Должен быть приказ, решение с подписью и печатью.