Как отыметь мента?

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

Я гоорил о себе. Я живу в Калифорнии. Из трех судов по почте я отбил все три. Из 12 тикетов за последние 8 лет, я отбил 10, семь из них в суде. Исходя из своего опыта, мой совет Нерону был бороться, а не признать свою вину в суде, заплатить штраф (как советовал Штирлиц, не подозревающий о существовании [Trial by Written Declaration and Federal Police]) и просить траффик школу. Бороться с тикетом можно различными методами. Самое легкое это прийти в суд, признать свою вину, попросить о дискаунте, пойти в школу. Для меня это проигрышная стратегия. Опыт это доказывает.
Значит так....
1. Федеральной полиции действительно не существует. Мы же с Вами уже в этом разобрались. ;) Есть различные федеральные агенства, каждое из которых имеет свои полномочия. Тикет Вам дал охранник федерального здания, так как он имел на это право в радиусе нескольких метров от этого самого здания.
2. Ваш опыт - это прекрасно, но Нерону он бы не помог. В его штате не разрешается [trial by declaration]. Единственный путь для него протестовать тикет - это лично, в суде. Как правильно писал Штирлиц - в большинстве случаев, это, как раз, проигрышный вариант.
Так что....Вы определитесь. Вы просто хотели похвастаться своими успехами в оспаривании тикетов, или Нерону помочь? :)

[Манюня]

2. Ваш опыт - это прекрасно 12 тикетов за 8 лет - прекрасно?

млин, мне страшно что я с ним по одним и тем же фривеям езжу

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

12 тикетов за 8 лет - прекрасно?

млин, мне страшно что я с ним по одним и тем же фривеям езжу
Ой, я не обратила внимание на количество тикетов. Действительно....страшновато.

[Dima1234]

Значит так....
1. Федеральной полиции действительно не существует. Мы же с Вами уже в этом разобрались. ;) Есть различные федеральные агенства, каждое из которых имеет свои полномочия. Тикет Вам дал охранник федерального здания, так как он имел на это право в радиусе нескольких метров от этого самого здания.
2. Ваш опыт - это прекрасно, но Нерону он бы не помог. В его штате не разрешается [trial by declaration]. Единственный путь для него протестовать тикет - это лично, в суде. Как правильно писал Штирлиц - в большинстве случаев, это, как раз, проигрышный вариант.
Так что....Вы определитесь. Вы просто хотели похвастаться своими успехами в оспаривании тикетов, или Нерону помочь? :)
1. Тикет дал полицейский, одетый в форму с пистолетом на полицейской машине Федерального ведомства. Так что не надо утверждать, что нет Федерал Полис. Когда выписывают тикет, то Вы можете разобрать кто его дал обычный полицейский, хайвей полицейский, или федеральный. Если нет, то посмотрите на его машину, на ней все написано. А кем тот кап там работет охранником здания, разведчиком, полицаем или надзирателем к теме отношения не имееет. Странно, что Вы не можете понять очевидного. :rolleyes:
2. Помог ли бы мой опыт Нерону или нет, не Вам решать. Вы не имеете совершенно никакого представлeния о том, что произошло в его случае, не знаете фактов, так что не стоит Вам делать такие далеко-идущие выводы.

НЕПРАВИЛьНО писал Штирлиц, в большинствe случаев - борьба с тикетом - не прогрыш, а выигрыш. Если Вы умеете считать, поделите 10 на 12. В процентах это вероятность победы. Мой личный опыт. Если у Вас есть личая статистика (например Вы боролись с тикетм три раза и все три раза проиграли :( ), то Вы можете ее здесь привести. А если нет - то Ваше заявление просто голословно.

Так что Вы определитесь, что собственно Вы здесь хотите сказать? Помочь Нерону, выразить сомнение в моем выигрышном рекорде, или оправдать Штирлица? ;)

[Dantik]

Остров, я тебя умоляю - не надо опять про федеральную полицию!

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

1. Тикет дал полицейский, одетый в форму с пистолетом на полицейской машине Федерального ведомства. Так что не надо утверждать, что нет Федерал Полис. Когда выписывают тикет, то Вы можете разобрать кто его дал обычный полицейский, хайвей полицейский, или федеральный. Если нет, то посмотрите на его машину, на ней все написано. А кем тот кап там работет охранником здания, разведчиком, полицаем или надзирателем к теме отношения не имееет. Странно, что Вы не можете понять очевидного. :роллеыес:
2. Помог ли бы мой опыт Нерону или нет, не Вам решать. Вы не имеете совершенно никакого представления о том, что произошло в его случае, не знаете фактов, так что не стоит Вам делать такие далеко-идущие выводы.

НЕПРАВИЛьНО писал Штирлиц, в большинстве случаев - борьба с тикетом - не прогрыш, а выигрыш. Если Вы умеете считать, поделите 10 на 12. В процентах это вероятность победы. Мой личный опыт. Если у Вас есть личая статистика (например Вы боролись с тикетм три раза и все три раза проиграли :( ), то Вы можете ее здесь привести. А если нет - то Ваше заявление просто голословно.

Так что Вы определитесь, что собственно Вы здесь хотите сказать? Помочь Нерону, выразить сомнение в моем выигрышном рекорде, или оправдать Штирлица? ;)
Вы знаете свой личный опыт. А я (и Штирлиц, и Манюня....так, из пишущих в этой теме), немного знакомы с судебной системой.
Я точно знаю, что именно Ваш личный опыт не помог бы Нерону, хотя бы потому, что в его штате сделать то, что сделали Вы немозможно. Не разрешает его штат [trial by declaration]. Это - факт, а не вопрос "повезёт / не повезёт".

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

Остров, я тебя умоляю - не надо опять про федеральную полицию!
Только по твоей просьбе. Про федеральную полицию больше ни слова. ;)

[Shtirliz]

Дима, прикрепи тут тикет который тебе дали.

[Neron]

Дима, прикрепи тут тикет который тебе дали.

А вдруг народ еще больше забоиццо с ним по одним дорогам ездить :cool:

[Shtirliz]

А вдруг народ еще больше забоиццо с ним по одним дорогам ездить :цоол:

Да там на тикете ясно кто именно его дал;)

[Neron]

Да там на тикете ясно кто именно его дал;)

Но там же еще написано и за что дал ;)

[Dantik]

Да там на тикете ясно кто именно его дал;)

А вдруг окажется, что это была таки не федеральная, а совсем даже интергалактическая полиция? Не, не надо нам тут таких волнений. :kos:

[Shtirliz]

Да, и ешё вот поцему твой вариант пройграшный, Дима.

В принципе [Trial by Declaration] это ерунда. Обясняю почему: Если ты его проиграеш, то проиграеш ты его на фактах предоставлеными копом. Скажем ты проиграл [trial by declaration] и запросил траял по новому. Тот же самый судья будет рассматривать теже самые факты. Какая вероятност что ишодд будет другой чем в [trial by declaration]? Тоеать ты проиграеш опять...только теперь ты не получиш трафик скул, и заплатиш полный штрафф.
( не говоря отом что ты уже какбы один раз давал показания, и малеьйшое отступление от тех показаний, будет казаца враньём с твоей стороны)

В моём варианте, ты аноборот, даёш судье все возможное чтом сбить тебе штрафф и протически гарантируеш трафик скул.

[Экспортёр]

Дима [Trial by Declaration] по траффик тикетам разрешён только в 9 штатах. Вы понимаете, что Ваш личный опыт может быть неприменяем для большинства форумчан?

По-моему, большинство форумчан проживают в Калифорнии, Флориде и Нью Йорке... :leader:

[Dima1234]

Да, и ешё вот поцему твой вариант пройграшный, Дима.

В принципе [Trial by Declaration] это ерунда. Обясняю почему: Если ты его проиграеш, то проиграеш ты его на фактах предоставлеными копом. Скажем ты проиграл [trial by declaration] и запросил траял по новому. Тот же самый судья будет рассматривать теже самые факты. Какая вероятност что ишодд будет другой чем в [trial by declaration]? Тоеать ты проиграеш опять...только теперь ты не получиш трафик скул, и заплатиш полный штрафф.
( не говоря отом что ты уже какбы один раз давал показания, и малеьйшое отступление от тех показаний, будет казаца враньём с твоей стороны)

В моём варианте, ты аноборот, даёш судье все возможное чтом сбить тебе штрафф и протически гарантируеш трафик скул.
Why should you always fight your traffic ticket?

When you receive a traffic ticket, the court will usually suggest that you must appear twice to contest it: first to appear and plead not guilty and second to stand trial with the officer present. This is not true. You can contest your ticket by mail without making a single court appearance. Contesting your citation through the mail gives you a better chance of winning your case than at a court trial. Even if you seem to be guilty of violating the law, the procedural hassles for the prosecution will often lead to a dismissal. If the prosecution does not submit its version of events in writing to the court by the deadline date, your case will be dismissed regardless of your guilt or innocence. Dismissals due to lack of prosecution are won in approximately 30% of written defenses.

This is why. This is from the commercial site who's shareware I've used twice for my last 2 tickets, both won. The first one I had put together myself (issued by feds). I cannot post that ticket here. I've won three out of three by using Written Declarations. In other multiple instances, it was either, improperly issued citation, lack of appearance of the officer at the trial, judges dissmissal, or lack of a form by the issuing officer at the trial, but I got only convicted once and was stupid enough second time to plea guilty, since I wasn't eligible for a traffic school. So, I as said again and and again: chance of winning is better fighting the ticket than going for a school. School is only good once every 18 month. Some some not a viable option. Now, i got last one to fight and I'll fight it by Written Declarations, rather than lose my 18 month of waiting. I'd rather leave that option, if I'll have two tickets on record.

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

Why should you always fight your traffic ticket?

When you receive a traffic ticket, the court will usually suggest that you must appear twice to contest it: first to appear and plead not guilty and second to stand trial with the officer present. This is not true. You can contest your ticket by mail without making a single court appearance. Contesting your citation through the mail gives you a better chance of winning your case than at a court trial. Even if you seem to be guilty of violating the law, the procedural hassles for the prosecution will often lead to a dismissal. If the prosecution does not submit its version of events in writing to the court by the deadline date, your case will be dismissed regardless of your guilt or innocence. Dismissals due to lack of prosecution are won in approximately 30% of written defenses.

This is why. This is from the commercial site who's shareware I've used twice for my last 2 tickets, both won. The first one I had put together myself (issued by feds). I cannot post that ticket here. I've won three out of three by using Written Declarations. In other multiple instances, it was either, improperly issued citation, lack of appearance of the officer at the trial, judges dissmissal, or lack of a form by the issuing officer at the trial, but I got only convicted once and was stupid enough second time to plea guilty, since I wasn't eligible for a traffic school. So, I as said again and and again: chance of winning is better fighting the ticket than going for a school. School is only good once every 18 month. Some some not a viable option. Now, i got last one to fight and I'll fight it by Written Declarations, rather than lose my 18 month of waiting. I'd rather leave that option, if I'll have two tickets on record.
How is that "commercial site" you are quoting any more credible than you presenting your personal experience on this forum? That site is just some guy, trying to make money on poor souls desperate to get out of paying a traffic ticket.
You, again, point out that your ticket was issued by the feds. I realize that you think it gives that particular matter a bit more importance than a traffic ticket issued by a street cop, but it really doesn't. You got a traffic ticket for a violation of the vehicle code, which is dealt with in regular traffic court. The only difference is that it was issued by a guard at a federal building.
Now that have that sorted out (again), let's discuss the fallacies of your main argument. First, a trial by declaration isn't available in most states. Therefore, it's not an option. In those states, if you contest the ticket, the only thing you have to hope for is that the officer doesn't show up. The reality is that they do show up most of the time.
Now, in the states where a trial by declaration is available, it still isn't necessarily the best choice. You may or may not win. If you lose, you not only have to pay the ticket, but also have the points on your record for a few years, since you cannot ask for traffic school at that point. A wiser choice would be to throw yourself to the mercy of the court, ask for traffic school, avoid the points on your driving record, and likely pay a lower fine.
Of course, if you get a traffic ticket every few weeks, traffic school is not really an option for you anyway. In that case, my only suggestion is to re-think your driving habits. ;)

[Dima1234]

How is that "commercial site" you are quoting any more credible than you presenting your personal experience on this forum? That site is just some guy, trying to make money on poor souls desperate to get out of paying a traffic ticket.

I want to thank you for providing me with the proper information to beat this ticket. I have won EIGHT tickets in the past 2 1/2 years (and have all the paperwork to prove it!) using your services including my last victory. Thanks again for everything! You saved me tons of money on my insurance! ---Chris T.
I received a red light camera ticket in October of 2004 while on vacation with a rental car in California. By using your site and your personal help, I had a trial by written declaration in which I used your two-pronged defense of refusing to incriminate myself as being the driver of the vehicle as well as the defense of there being no proof of the violation... I FINALLY received a response from the court this past Saturday (3/28/05), and they are dismissing my case and will refund my $341 bail that I posted in December... 4 months ago! I want to personally thank you for your help and for the wonderful resources on your site. Without your help, I could never have known how to even protest this ridiculous ticket, let alone actually protest and WIN the case! I honestly can't thank you enough for your help and for your site. I am definitely more than happy to have paid you the minor fee you charge for your service... I still saved over three hundred dollars!
Keep up the fight,

Seth H., Chicago, IL
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Hi Pat,
Man, YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got a letter from the court, it reads In case of people of CA vs. me bla-bla-bla you were found NOT-GUILTY"!!!! Wawawaw, I'm so happy. You know your stuff! I have already recommended you to two of my friends with recent tickets.
THANK YOU!!!!

Evgeny F.


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Ticket Assassin Note: This member was told by a rural court that he could not do a TBD since he did not live more than 100 miles from that court. The Ticket Assassin has seen this sort of court "local rule" scam before. Typically such distance rules are never adopted by the court formally but invented to deter contesting by out-of-town drivers. I pointed out to the member the appropriate vehicle code section (CVC40902) which allows a Trial by Declaration "upon demand" without any distance criteria. This is the member's e-mail response after confronting the court clerk:

So to update, I called the court house today and asked why I couldn't have a TBD and referred to the vehicle code not giving any limit on miles away from the court. The gal said "that's our policy, but I'll look into it. Please hold." A few minutes later she comes back and says "you're correct, let me look into it further" then she took my name and docket number. A few minutes on hold and she came back and said "I have a copy of the letter we sent you and you are right, it is wrong. Your TBD paperwork is on its way".

Once again, thanks for the help!
Jerry K.,
Yosemite, CA


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Wow. This might be the best non-porn website I have ever seen.

John B.
Los Angeles


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Hey Nate and Pat,

I just wanted to let you know, I've now fought 4 speeding tickets and a "illegally stopped on the side of the freeway ticket" as a result of what I learned on this website. I've used the fight by mail, and the new trial method to beat the system. All of it has worked. While I've never had to resort to the "I'm not guilty defense", I've done very little to get out of very expensive tickets.

I am finally getting around to paying for this service as a result of remembering that I owe you guys a bundle of thanks for the many dollars you saved me. So, thanks! And if you want to quote me, PLEASE DO.

Knowing that I am able to dig up what I used to fight my tickets and donate it to the website, I really think that part of the shareware concept should be that others need to give back. It would make this site an unbelievably useful tool.

John D.


September 16, 2007

Ticket Assassin,

YOU REALLY ROCK.. After several nail biting days ,I finally had my Trial De novo. My cop showed up and he gave me a picture of my citation. He was soft spoken but really smug. I was over prepared I had notes taken from the outstanding e-mails that you sent to me, and I had a big picture of my license. He said "I gave you the evidence that I am going to use; now show me your evidence." I showed him several papers with great notes on it. He saw my blown up license photo and said, "Are you going to say you were not the driver? I said,"I will not say that I am." He went away. Then I was called and the judge said, "YOUR CASE IS DISMISSED." I received my red light citation in February.

If I had not come across your web site, I would never had known that fighting any type of ticket was possible. Who said that you can not fight City Hall? Please tell all you subscribers that they should not ask for traffic school unless they are found guilty There were many cases that were dismissed because the cop did not show. You guys are the very best, and my hat is off to you all. Thanks a million.

Incredibly Relieved, K.

August 22 , 2007

Thanks Patrick with you valuable help in defeating a red light camera citation I received in Van Nuys. It took the court about 3 months to forward their decision, but I received notice of dismissal yesterday. My argument was based on a unclear photo, the fact that the photo looked like someone in their 20's (I'm 57), and that I have 5 cars and several employees who drive them all (well maybe not my new GT3RS). Additionally, the time from the line was only .002 seconds though I don't know if that had any influence.

So thanks you again, your service was the primary reason I beat this ticket.

Sincerely:

John G.

August 16 , 2007

Hi Patrick,

I just wanted to share the great news and let you know that your defenses helped to find me not guilty of 22349(a).

Your website rocks and and you help me save 250 bucks, not to mention all the other bull..... Thanks again. I can't tell you how much of a relief this is now to know I have a chance against this institution.

sincerely,

a believer
- Amir B

[Dima1234]

How is that "commercial site" you are quoting any more credible than you presenting your personal experience on this forum? That site is just some guy, trying to make money on poor souls desperate to get out of paying a traffic ticket.


August 8 , 2007

Dear Patrick.

I am the one who contested my traffic Light Camera ticket on grounds that it actually pushed me through the intersection with its flashing lights from the behind. It was honestly the truth. GOOD NEWS: The court finds the defendant "Not Guilty"! And, Clerk Shall refund to defendant the following amount: $361.

Just wanted to give you the feedback and thank you for the great ordinary citizens' resource. It was worth every penny of my contribution to your site, and more.

Best wishes;
Ramin

July 17, 2007

Patrick, Your website is great, just wanted to let you know I won my case.
Thank you so much, I will
be tell all my friend about your website.

Thanks
Randy C.

July 9, 2007

Patrick the services you offer are not only amazing but they yield RESULTS! So I received a letter from the court announcing I'll be receiving a refund check in the next week or two, except they minus a $10 dollar process fee. This was a close to $800 bail amount case and Patrick saved me time not with trial by declaration, and more importantly, a in-you-face to the Man. Patrick I own and manage a local swim team and I'll be more than happy to link your web addy on our website.

Sincerely,
Mike T.

July 9, 2007

Dear Patrick,

I'm writing to thank you for your help on my ticket. My case was dismissed in May and the court says I'm going to receive my refund within 12 weeks.

Sincerely,

M. Yong

July 5, 2007

Actually, since the last I wrote you I received a dismissal in the mail. Needless to say I am very excited about this. I am so glad that I used your service. I really could not afford to give up $531.00. I hope they get that check to me soon. I am going to tell all my friends to use your service. Even if you don't win it at least gives you the satisfaction of having tried.

Once again, Thank you very much for your service and hopefully I won't need it again any time soon.

Tom I.

July 3, 2007

hi Patrick and other Tix Assassins -

just last night i finally received the decision of the CA Superior Court concerning the old triple/double ticket put on me by that eager rookie/vet Okland PD team and it says: Case dismissed!

didn't quite expect to get that kind of clear verdict this time since i admitted to doing 37 in a 30 mph zone if only for a couple seconds
but my arcane argument must have carried some weight as must have my heeding your suggestion to pre-empt hearsay but making it a big issue - in short : Thanks again for your fabulous help and sheer smart existence! may the unfair be made to eat the dirt they dish out - for as often as possible! and especially if they represent The Law!

hugo u.

June 30, 2007

Hi Patrick,

Just a quick note to let you know that I received a letter from the court yesterday stating that my ticket has been dismissed and that my $151 will be returned to me within 60 days.

My defense was based on maximum/minimum speed law and your paced speed defense (no radar unit or cruiser number was cited on the ticket either).

I've recommended your website to a number of my colleagues-I think you do a great job.

All the best,
Duncan P.

June 29, 2007

Pat-

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

It worked!!!

"Dismissed in the interest of Justice"

If you know anyone up here (SF Bay Area) who needs their piano tuned, that's what I do, and I'll give them a free tuning in gratitude for your help.

Best Regards,
Richard P.

June 29, 2007

Dear Patrick,

I wanted to report that my red light camera ticket was dismissed on May 29!! The City of San Francisco will be refunding my $380.90 within 8 weeks.

I used a variation of your letter basically saying the picture is poor and the driver wasn't me. The commissioner (G. Rosen-Park) asked me to submit 2 photos. After her review, the ticket was dismissed.

I'm very happy and thankful for your resources.

Thanks, Patrick.

Patrick S

June 28, 2007

Hi Pat!

MY CASE WAS DISMISSED!!! The officer never responded with his side of the story and my insurance rates are safe and sound. Not to mention the cash I saved in not having to pay a fine! Those thugs didn't get away with it this time!

Now I have to fight a ridiculous seatbelt ticket. (Which you already provided me arguments for. You are one awesome individual Pat.)
I tell everyone I know about Ticket Assassin!

Thank You!
Thank You!
Thank You!

Len A.

May 25, 2007

Pat,

I wanted to thank you so much for helping me with my ticket. I received my response from the court over the weekend, and they are refunding my bail! I'm so glad I found you. I have told all of my friends about your site. I hope that I don't need to use you again, but it's good to know I have someone in my corner.

Cheers,

Adam B.

May 13, 2007

Dear Pat,

Today I got a form from the court saying my ticket was dismissed and that I'll have my bail refunded! The deciding factor seemed to be that the police vehicle number was not on the ticket. Thank you so much for your service.

Sincerely,
Matthew L.

May 11, 2007

Hello,
Just a note to tell you that I WON!!! Many thanks for your assistance, it was (obviously) dead on. Thanks again. Oh, did I mention
that I was thankful? It was fun to baffle them with bullshit and make them meet a bunch of standards that would be a pain in the ass for them. I will highly recommend you to anyone in the future. Did I remember to thank you?

Tony L.

May 1, 2007

Hi Patrick

I received the court decision on my case today and it finds me not guilty of 22349A. The defense I used is below. Creating it was as easy as cut and past - search and replace names.

Thanks much!

Colin

May 1, 2007

Patrick, I wanted to thank you for the information and guidance with sample letters you sent me to use for fighting a traffic ticket. I received a traffic ticket back in November 2006 for driving solo in the carpool lane. I followed your instructions and paid the bail ($361.00) and sent in a request for a Trial by Written Declaration. I filled out the Trial by Written Declaration form and sent that in with a letter stating why I thought I was innocent (using one of your sample letters).

My bail due date was on January 17, 2007 and once my form and letter was received I did not hear or see any updates on the status of my ticket until today (May, 2007).

I had called the court clerk to find out why it was taking so long for a decision to be made and was told that the judge may have been on vacation, etc. and that my form and letter was still waiting to be reviewed and until then no decision had been made. It now being May 2007 I decided to keep checking on the internet my status and just found out today that my case has been dismissed! I was so happy and relieved to find this out and even more happy to know that I will also get my refund of $361.00 back.

Thank you again!!

Cyndi K.

May 1, 2007

I just received my Not Guilty Notice. Your advice was worth every penny and more. I sent for the vehicle speed survey and it was 8 years old. I enclosed a copy to the courts with my arguments including radar calibration and beam angle spread and speed trap. I can't thank you enough. My victory is especially sweet, as the cop who stopped me lied about everything and stopped me miles from the place of the alleged violation and described driving behavior that was not mine. I don't know what drug he was taking, but he sure had a vivid imagination that day. Had I not stumbled upon your website, there was no way I would have known how to even plead by mail, as the Ventura Courts do not even offer this as an option and when I went to the court clerk, she gave me the wrong paperwork to complete.

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge, answering my questions and for your exhaustive research on traffic codes and violations.

Debbie M.
Ventura

May 1, 2007

Thank you very much for your assistance. I was very pleased to receive my "not-guilty" verdict in the mail yesterday. I am very grateful for all your help and for your website which makes this valuable information available to the general public.

Regards
Robert E.
Cotati

[Dima1234]

How is that "commercial site" you are quoting any more credible than you presenting your personal experience on this forum? That site is just some guy, trying to make money on poor souls desperate to get out of paying a traffic ticket.


I can paste another hundred or two testimonials from people who appreciated help they received and did beat their tickets to answer your question, but think you got the idea.
I am the one, living proof that the fighting ticket in California worth it. Say what you want - it is irrelevant. This strategy works. Proven.


P.S. I agree with you though that I should be more careful to avoid all these tickets. I honestly try. ;)

P.P.S. I did send him e-mail thanking him after I beat 95 mph speeding ticket, using the shareware, but he didn't even post my own testimonial. After I got today second one dismissed I won't send him another e-mail; I didn't even have to pay for the second use. It's just pennies, compared to what I've saved plus insurance costs.

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

I can paste another hundred or two testimonials from people who appreciated help they received and did beat their tickets to answer your question, but think you got the idea.
Are you seriously so naive that you believe testimonials from a website? When I was in college, I used to work for a guy who had a website with glorious testimonials. I was paid to write them. :lol:


I am the one, living proof that the fighting ticket in California worth it. Say what you want - it is irrelevant. This strategy works. Proven.
So, statistics isn't your strong suit either. :D You are living proof that this strategy worked for you, with the 3 tickets you had. That's hardly a representative sample. I am sure it works in some cases, but, generally, contesting a ticket (especially when you know it was legitimate) is not worth it for the reasons I stated above.



P.S. I agree with you though that I should be more careful to avoid all these tickets. I honestly try. ;)
Good. I suggest you try harder. :)

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

[ It's just pennies, compared to what I've saved plus insurance costs.]
By the way....since you seem to be getting a lot of tickets....traffic school in CA is available every 12 months, not 18. However, if you take it after 12 months, you have to do a 12-hour class instead of an 8-hour, and you can't do it online. Just thought you might find this information useful. :)

[Dima1234]

Are you seriously so naive that you believe testimonials from a website? When I was in college, I used to work for a guy who had a website with glorious testimonials. I was paid to write them. :lol:


So, statistics isn't your strong suit either. :D You are living proof that this strategy worked for you, with the 3 tickets you had. That's hardly a representative sample. I am sure it works in some cases, but, generally, contesting a ticket (especially when you know it was legitimate) is not worth it for the reasons I stated above.



I'm not naive. These are real from real people.
Secondly, my statistics are not 3. 3 Written Declarations Trials I had won out of three is a 100%. But my stats are 10 won out of 12. 3 by Written Declarations, others by other reasons. I suggest you to read more careful, because I had already stated here more than once that I had beat 10 out of 12 total over 8 years. Stats work for me, for all my friends and for all these people who sent their thanks.

You can continue this fruitless exchange and pay your own tickets. Or recommend your friends who got them to pay them and not violate the rules. That would be offtopic, though.

[Dima1234]

By the way....since you seem to be getting a lot of tickets....traffic school in CA is available every 12 months, not 18. However, if you take it after 12 months, you have to do a 12-hour class instead of an 8-hour, and you can't do it online. Just thought you might find this information useful. :)
No, you are wrong again. It is 18 month. Please do not argue, if you have no clue.

[Odinokiy_Ostrov]

No, you are wrong again. It is 18 month. Please do not argue, if you have no clue.
Umm....I do have a clue. Would you like me to tell you what I did for a living for many many years? :) Let's just say that I know what I am talking about.

Here:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/rules/index.cfm?title=four&linkid=rule4_104

Read. Educate yourself. Especially the part about the judicial discretion in regards to violations that occur less than 18 months from a previous violation. ;)

But, of course, if you don't believe me (or the CA Rules of Court).....don't believe me. I am just trying to help.

[Dima1234]

Umm....I do have a clue. Would you like me to tell you what I did for a living for many many years? :) Let's just say that I know what I am talking about.

Here:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/rules/index.cfm?title=four&linkid=rule4_104

Read. Educate yourself. Especially the part about the judicial discretion in regards to violations that occur less than 18 months from a previous violation. ;)

But, of course, if you don't believe me (or the CA Rules of Court).....don't believe me. I am just trying to help.
With a 95 mpg speeding I had gone to court first and asked the judge to let me do school. I was about 2-3 month short of 18 month window from my last school. He said no. It had something to do with a number of miles over the posted limit. In my case it was 30 over. I wasn't sure that I'm gonna beat the 95 mpg. Cop said that he always goes to court, I've asked him. I had no choice but fight. Thank G-d I did! :)

[Shtirliz]

With a 95 mpg speeding I had gone to court first and asked the judge to let me do school. I was about 2-3 month short of 18 month window from my last school. He said no. It had something to do with a number of miles over the posted limit. In my case it was 30 over. I wasn't sure that I'm gonna beat the 95 mpg. Cop said that he always goes to court, I've asked him. I had no choice but fight. Thank G-d I did! :)

You said they dont show up.....now you are saying the opposite. :rofl:

In fact, i explained my winning strategy, and you posted some fake testimonials.
And yes, you are naive, if you believe them.

[Dima1234]

i explained...
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, having recently learned in this topic about the existence of the Trials by Written Declarations. :evillaugh You failed you exams by your own admissions, so your value as an expert in legal matters below zero. :34: The fact that you spell yourself without capital "I" emphasizes your minisculity. Have a nice day! :)

[Shtirliz]

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, having recently learned in this topic about the existence of the Trials by Written Declarations. :evillaugh You failed you exams by your own admissions, so your value as an expert in legal matters below zero. :34: The fact that you spell yourself without capital "I" emphasizes your minisculity. Have a nice day! :)

Wait, hold on, you are going to give me some English spelling tips? "you failed you exams"? " your value as an expert in legal matters below zero" "rofl:
You should sue your ESL teacher...try it by trial by declaration.

By the way... there not such word as "minisculity"

[химик]

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