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    Еще один (предпоследний) штат не будет выдавать водительские права нелегалам.
    New Mexico bill would issue separate driver’s permits to illegal immigrants
    By Liz Goodwin liz Goodwin – Wed Feb 2, 4:50 pm ET
    New Mexican lawmakers are moving to end the state's reputation as a "sanctuary state" for illegal immigrants. On Monday, Governor Susana Martinez issued an executive order to let police ask about the immigration status of people they arrest. On the same day, a lawmaker introduced one of two laws being considered to end the state's policy of giving out drivers licenses without asking for proof of legal residency.
    New Mexico is one of only two states that requires no proof of legal residency (like a Social Security card or a visa) to obtain a driver's license. New Mexico Rep. Andy Nunez, a one-time Democrat who defected from the Party this month, introduced a bill earlier this month to reverse the 2003 law and require everyone to prove they're a legal resident.
    "People have been abusing it," Nunez tells The Lookout. "Some people are bringing carloads of people who are getting...driver's licenses and then they go [back] to the other state where they came from."
    An Associated Press analysis found that immigrant applications for licenses in New Mexico, Utah and Washington surged 60 percent in the weeks following the passage of Arizona's immigration law, suggesting that people may have been coming from out of state seeking valid ID. It's tricky to say how many of those people were not authorized to be in the country, however, because the states group legal immigrants and illegal immigrants' applications together.
    Republican State Rep. Bill Rehm of Albuquerque told The Daily Times' Milan Simonich that there's no way Nunez's law will pass the Democratic-controlled House or Senate. He's devised a different, more politically palatable bill that would invalidate all driver's licenses given to foreign nationals by Jan 1 of next year. Illegal immigrants have until that day to apply for a yearly "permit," which only gives them the right to drive in the state. The permit wouldn't work as a government-issued I.D. to board a plane or buy alcohol, for example, as a driver's license does.
    University of Arizona Law Professor Gabriel Chin tells The Lookout the plan seems like a good way to address license fraud without altogether taking away driving privileges from illegal immigrants. "To leave an opportunity for people to drive legally in the state who can't prove citizenship is better than the alternative," he says. The argument for letting illegal immigrants drive legally is they then have to buy car insurance and pass driving tests before they get their licenses, which makes the roads safer.
    Utah has a permit system, as well, while Washington is the only other state that gives driver's licenses to people without proof of legal status. About ten states reversed laws that let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses in the past five years.
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    а какои последний Юта или Вашингтон?

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    Наверное, Юта.

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    Вообще-то, все ездили за правами в Чикаго. Значит, штат Иллинойс.
    Лев Кобрин – юрист, магистр права.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lev Kobrin View Post
    Вообще-то, все ездили за правами в Чикаго. Значит, штат Иллинойс.
    Там как-то сложно все -- вроде как нелегалам дают права только в самой Чикаге, а в других городах штата не дают. То ли городские власти забивают на закон, то ли еще чего-то... По-моему это все-таки Юта.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neron View Post
    Там как-то сложно все -- вроде как нелегалам дают права только в самой Чикаге, а в других городах штата не дают. То ли городские власти забивают на закон, то ли еще чего-то... По-моему это все-таки Юта.
    Чего не знаю, того не знаю. По Чикагу слышал и даже когда сам видел.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lev Kobrin View Post
    Utah has a permit system, as well, while Washington is the only other state that gives driver's licenses to people without proof of legal status.
    Какой же последний штат? Какой?!! :kos:
    Вы привлекательны, я чертовски привлекателен, так чего зря время терять?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantik View Post
    Какой же последний штат? Какой?!! :kos:
    А вот посмотрите:
    Driver's license law repeal gaining traction across US
    By Milan Simonich Santa Fe Bureau
    Posted: 02/12/2011 09:48:35 PM MST



    SANTA FE - North Carolina granted a driver's license to a 24-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico. He moved to Maryland, got drunk on Thanksgiving night 2006, and then killed a young Marine and his girlfriend in a car crash.
    Tennessee issued "certificates for driving" to undocumented immigrants. A state employee provided 40 certificates to unqualified applicants who lived outside the state, pocketing a $400 bribe each time.
    Tragedy and scandal led to change in those states. The legislatures in North Carolina and Tennessee repealed the laws that provided driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants.
    In the last six years, lawmakers in Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Oregon and Wisconsin also overturned laws that enabled undocumented immigrants to obtain driver's licenses.
    New Mexico is one of three states that continues to grant driver's licenses to people without proof of their immigration status.
    Republican Gov. Susana Martinez, trying to force a showdown on the issue with Democrats in the state Legislature, said the system is a disaster waiting to happen.
    "As other states clamp down, New Mexico has become a haven for people looking to circumvent the law," Martinez said.
    She wants the Legislature to approve a bill by Rep. Andy Nu-ez that would eliminate driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants.
    Nu-ez, an independent from Hatch, voted with the majority to allow driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants in 2003, when he was a Democrat.
    He said he was wrong then and wants to atone for the mistake.
    Those in New Mexico who support driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants say the policy is a success story.
    They reason that most undocumented immigrants work, pay taxes and are on the roads anyway. Granting them driver's licenses, proponents say, increases the number of motorists with auto insurance, making streets safer.
    "This is a public-safety issue that was initiated by this body (the House of Representatives), and it has been effective," said Rep. Miguel Garcia, D-Albuquerque.
    Rep. Ken Martinez, D-Grants, said those in the country illegally still deserve equal treatment.
    "The Constitution of the United States says that all men are created equal - not all citizens," he said. "We have to consider balancing the needs of our police to protect us with the constitutional protection of the individual. Overstep that balance and you create a system of government that isn't just."
    Garcia, Ken Martinez and three other Democrats last week voted to table a bill far milder than the one Nu-ez is proposing. It would have granted annual driving "permits" to people who have no proof of their immigration status. The permits could not have been used as government-issued identification, the way a driver's license is.
    "Replacing driver's licenses for immigrants with ineffective driver's permits would take us back to the Stone Age, not to mention that it would increase insurance rates for all of us," Garcia said.
    New Mexico has issued about 83,000 driver's licenses to foreign nationals. The state Division of Motor Vehicles does not track how many had visas and how many were in the country illegally.
    They account for fewer than 5 percent of the 1.7 million people who have New Mexico driver's licenses, but present a risk to the whole country, Nu-ez said.
    "They don't even stay in New Mexico. They use the licenses to go to Texas, Arizona, Colorado," he said.
    A Democrat, Rep. Bill O'Neill of Albuquerque, announced Saturday that he would sponsor a bill similar to Nunez's.
    O'Neill said his proposal would require applicants for a driver's license to have a Social Security number or an individual tax identification number to shut out undocumented immigrants. It also would mandate that applicants show a birth certificate or photo identification, such as a driver's license from another state.
    Freshman Reps. Terry McMillan, R-Las Cruces, and Rick Little, R-Chaparral, stood with Gov. Martinez last week as she escalated her fight to outlaw driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants.
    Gov. Martinez said she wanted voters to call legislators and demand the change, forcing them to be accountable to the people they are supposed to serve.
    McMillan and Little said the people they represent in southern New Mexico overwhelming agree with the governor.
    The tide against licensing people who are in the country illegally turned swiftly.
    In 2005, 25 state legislatures considered bills to provide driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants.
    Eight states have since repealed licensing for undocumented immigrants. New Mexico, Utah and Washington now are the only states that provide driver's licenses to applicants who cannot prove their immigration status. Utah's is a permit for driving only, not a government-issued identification.
    Gov. Martinez said people in every corner of Mexico want the licensing law repealed. She says granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants is not a partisan issue, but it is clear that Democrats in the Legislature stand in the way of her wishes and Nu-ez's proposal, HB 78.
    Nu-ez said he can swing enough Democratic votes to win, if he can get his bill to a floor debate. Democrats, the majority party, control legislative committees. One of those could shelve Nu-ez's bill without it getting a full hearing. All five Democrats on the Labor and Human Resources Committee opposed the bill last week to replace licenses with permits. The four Republicans, including Little, tried to move it through.
    But Nu-ez predicted he would prevail. "If you're not optimistic, you won't get anything done," he said.
    Santa Fe Bureau Chief Milan Simonich can be reached at msimonich@tnmnp.com or (505) 820-6898. His blog is at http://elpasotimes.typepad.com/newmexico.
    Лев Кобрин – юрист, магистр права.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lev Kobrin View Post
    Еще один (предпоследний) штат не будет выдавать водительские права нелегалам.
    New Mexico bill would issue separate driver’s permits to illegal immigrants

    Utah has a permit system, as well, while Washington is the only other state that gives driver's licenses to people without proof of legal status. About ten states reversed laws that let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses in the past five years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lev Kobrin View Post
    Вообще-то, все ездили за правами в Чикаго. Значит, штат Иллинойс.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neron View Post
    Там как-то сложно все -- вроде как нелегалам дают права только в самой Чикаге, а в других городах штата не дают. То ли городские власти забивают на закон, то ли еще чего-то... По-моему это все-таки Юта.
    :kos:
    Вы привлекательны, я чертовски привлекателен, так чего зря время терять?

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    Сколько времени эта страна еще будет "чуть-чуть беременной"? Почему нелегалам дают какие-то бумажки? Если человек нужен в стране, ему нужно дать нормальный статус и не ограничивать его в правах. Если человек в стране не нужен, его выслать надо. Это только мне кажется биномом Ньютона?
    Оу, это йест утифитэлный страна!

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