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In2HiDef
12-03-2010, 10:13 PM
By Eli Lake (http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/eli-lake_/)
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The Washington Times


Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) waged a covert war against Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) that included missile attacks, arms shipments to anti-government rebels and car bombings since 2004, a newly disclosed U.S. Embassy (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/us-embassy/) cable says.Among the secret war operations were a 2007 helicopter gunship attack on the headquarters of a pro-government group in the Georgian province of Abkhazia, and the murder of Georgian police (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgian-police/) officers in the town of Gori. Known inside the Russian security services as "active measures," the tactics employed against Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) included political disinformation campaigns, industrial sabotage and assassinations.
"The variety and extent of the active measures suggests the deeper goal is turning Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) from its Euroatlantic orientation back into the Russian fold," said the cable, signed by the U.S. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-of-america/) ambassador to Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/), John Tefft (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-f-tefft/).
The July 20, 2007, cable, labeled "confidential," was written nearly one year before Russian military forces invaded Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/), and raised questions about President Obama (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/barack-obama/)'s reset policy with Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/). The White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/) has limited its opposition to Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/)'s bullying of former Soviet republics like Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) to public statements. In the interim, the administration has touted an arms control treaty and Russian cooperation at the United Nations (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-nations/) as evidence of better cooperation between the two cold war rivals.
Privately, however, several secret cables made public by the website WikiLeaks reveal that senior U.S. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-of-america/) officials hold Russia's government (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russias-government/) and its policies in low regard.
The cable dealing with the Russian-Georgian conflict sheds particular light on the origins of the 2008 war. At the time, some international observers accused Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mikheil-saakashvili/) of provoking Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/), and sparking the war. Russian troops today remain in the Georgian provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
But the cable shows that at least the U.S. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-of-america/) ambassador in Tblisi believed Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) was conducting a war of its own against Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/).
In an interview, Giga Bokeria (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/giga-bokeria/), Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/)'s national security adviser, declined to comment on the cable.
However, he told The Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/the-washington-times/) that Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/)'s covert war against his country has been under way since Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/)'s independence in 1991, and that the campaign intensified in 2004 when the pro-West Mr. Saakashvili (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mikheil-saakashvili/) became president.
A spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Washington (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russian-embassy-in-washington/), Yevgeniy Khorishko (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/yevgeniy-khorishko/), declined to discuss the cable. But he said there was no proof that Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) had engaged in any covert actions inside Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) and that the allegations were false.
The cable begins by describing the May 11, 2007, attack on the provincial government (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/provincial-government/) in exile for the province of Abkhazia. Abkhazia is home to a Russian population that has in the past said it would like to be part of Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) and not Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/). Many ethnic Georgians were forced to flee Abkhazia in the 2008 war.
"UN (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-nations/) investigators have told us privately that they agree with the Georgians that only Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) could have launched the attack, noting that while the final written report does not directly assign blame, 'any reasonable person' would conclude from it that Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) was responsible," the cable said.
At the time, the Russian government officials claimed their radar were not working during the time of the attack and could therefore not provide the United Nations (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-nations/) any information.
"It was an attack from helicopters and from the ground on civilian infrastructure," Mr. Bokeria (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/giga-bokeria/) said. "The evidence was overwhelming that these helicopters were Russian."
Mr. Khorishko (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/yevgeniy-khorishko/), however, said, "As I remember the situation in 2007, the Georgian side could never produce evidence that this was a Russian attack, these are pure allegations and speculations."
The cable also describes a car bomb attack in Gori in 2005. The attack prompted Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/)'s ministry of internal affairs to arrest in 2006 a ring of spies from Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/)'s military intelligence known as the GRU.
The cable disclosed the U.S. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-of-america/) suspicion that Russian intelligence was behind two simultaneous explosions on the Georgian-Russian pipeline on Jan. 22, 2006. Later in the same day another explosion took out a high voltage line based in Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) that supplied Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) with electricity.
"There was no response from the Russian government for four days," Mr. Bokeria (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/giga-bokeria/) said. "For one week in 2005 Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) was left with no gas and electricity from Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/), causing shortages. We believe this was an act of Russian sabotage."
Mr. Khorishko (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/yevgeniy-khorishko/), the Russian embassy (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russian-embassy-in-washington/) spokesman, said allegations that Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) was behind the sabotage are false.
The cable also said Russia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/russia/) has shipped Grad artillery rockets to the provincial government (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/provincial-government/) in South Ossetia, which it described as closer to Moscow than the provincial government (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/provincial-government/) in Abkhazia.

Mr. Tefft (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-f-tefft/) wrote in an introduction to the cable that Russian policy in Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/) is as follows: "The cumulative weight of the evidence of the last few years suggests that the Russians are aggressively playing a high-stakes, covert game, and they consider few if any holds barred."
Mr. Khorishko (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/yevgeniy-khorishko/) said, however, that his country had only benign intentions and did not seek to destabilize Georgia (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/georgia/).

STYLE
12-03-2010, 10:59 PM
Обнародованные послания американского посла в Грузии конечно же являются для тебя доказательствами. А если это напечатала "Вашингтон пост",то неоспоримым доказательством.:rofl:
Мало ли что пишут послы про кого-то. Зачастую это их предположения. Про свою страну и правительство с большим процентом можно сказать, что правда.
А как на счет того, что США знала о планах нападения Грузии на Осетию? Про это читал ты или опять мимо прошло?

wlass
12-04-2010, 01:19 AM
Врать про откровения российского посла рискованно, эти русские тут же просекут, чья эта Викиликс на самом деле.
Пришлось высасывать "доказательства" из высказываний постороннего, благо у прогрессивной общественности уши развесистые, лапша "от американского посла" замечательно прилипает.

In2HiDef
12-05-2010, 01:16 PM
А как на счет того, что США знала о планах нападения Грузии на Осетию? Про это читал ты или опять мимо прошло?
Читал. В контексте того, что РФ вела боевые действия с примением тяжелого оружия с 2007г, атака Грузии против Осетии уже неоднозначна. План прослеживается однако - метать навоз на вентилятор, спровоцировать Сааку с его кавказским темпераментом, навести "порядок" и дать себе медаль за маленькую победоносную войну.

Как говорил др.Ватсон "я могу понять, когда подсыпают яд богатому дядюшке, но не могу понять, когда толкают свпй народ к войне"

nyccard
12-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Обнародованные послания американского посла в Грузии конечно же являются для тебя доказательствами. А если это напечатала "Вашингтон пост",то неоспоримым доказательством.:рофл:
Мало ли что пишут послы про кого-то. Зачастую это их предположения. Про свою страну и правительство с большим процентом можно сказать, что правда.
А как на счет того, что США знала о планах нападения Грузии на Осетию? Про это читал ты или опять мимо прошло?

Грузия не могла нападать на Осетию,так как это была территория Грузии.

STYLE
12-05-2010, 04:31 PM
Читал. В контексте того, что РФ вела боевые действия с примением тяжелого оружия с 2007г, атака Грузии против Осетии уже неоднозначна. План прослеживается однако - метать навоз на вентилятор, спровоцировать Сааку с его кавказским темпераментом, навести "порядок" и дать себе медаль за маленькую победоносную войну.

Как говорил др.Ватсон "я могу понять, когда подсыпают яд богатому дядюшке, но не могу понять, когда толкают свпй народ к войне"

Если я тебе приведу как доказательство то, что пишет российский посол о США, представляю что ты мне на это ответишь. Поэтому можешь себе ответить сам. :)
Доказательств по этому поводу нет.
А факт нападения и обстрела Цхинвала установками град есть.
Про маленькую победоносную войну ты прав. Саака и его советчики так и планировали: быстро в течении одного двух дней закончить войну, а потом уже под напором мировой общественности никто не сунется. Россия в расчет не бралась, думали, что она не решится на активные действия. Но жестоко просчитались. А вот людей погибших жаль.

STYLE
12-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Грузия не могла нападать на Осетию,так как это была территория Грузии.

Назови это так, как тебе нравится. Смысл от этого не изменится.

Lilu
12-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Грузия не могла нападать на Осетию,так как это была территория Грузии.

То ли дело Россия и Чечня. Вот Россия однозначно нападала на свободолюбивую Чечню, и пофигу, что это ее территория.