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Буржуй
08-23-2010, 09:55 AM
By JOSEPH BERGER

Mother Russia has long been ensconced in Brooklyn’s Brighton Beach, feasting on pirogi, borscht and the tang of salty air reminiscent of Odessa. But her assimilated children have been planting colonies across the New York area, and one of the largest is flourishing on Staten Island.

Staten Island’s Russians — even if many are really from Ukraine or other lands of the former Soviet Union — number 22,288 by the most recent census estimates, or more than 50,000 by their own estimates, which would make Russians one-tenth of the island’s population. As immigrant strivers, they moved to Staten Island for the affordable houses, good schools, suburban feel and pace, even a boardwalk in South Beach that can match Brighton Beach’s in length, if not in ambience.

But they have not escaped the ethnic encounters often associated with urban migrations, including grumbling by natives that the newcomers are taking over. This has surfaced most vividly as a result of a Russian-run community and day care center’s plan for a new 10,000-square-foot building that it promises would be for all Staten Islanders.

It will become another “Russian thing,” one skeptic, Joanne Bennetti, a 60-ish retired beautician, said at a meeting of the South Beach Civic Association. “You don’t know what it’s like to feel like a foreigner in your own neighborhood.”

Janele Hyer-Spencer, a local assemblywoman, who arranged for $4 million in state funding for a new Staten Island Community Center, said the tensions reflected the discomfort of some old-timers with the rapid influx of immigrants — Liberians, Albanians and Mexicans as well as Russians — into a once-sleepy, relatively homogeneous island.

According to Ms. Hyer-Spencer and the police, there has been a spate of hate crimes in recent months, including one in April in which a Mexican bakery worker’s skull was bashed. In June, large numbers of islanders turned out to oppose plans to build a mosque in a former convent, a plan that was eventually withdrawn.

“We are experiencing, across the island, a demographic shift of monumental proportions and the cultural conflict that is an outgrowth of that shift,” Ms. Hyer-Spencer said.

Meanwhile, the plan for the community center, to replace a derelict amusement arcade, has turned into a muddle. Though funds became available two years ago, the State Dormitory Authority has yet to approve the building. Ms. Hyer-Spencer suggested that she had exhausted her efforts to convince local civic associations that the center would be multicultural, not just for Russians.

“Because of so much cultural conflict, it’s impossible to move forward,” she said.

Joseph McAllister, the president of the South Beach Civic Association, said that based on what he had learned so far, he was opposed to the center because cars picking up and dropping off children would clog traffic. Moreover, he said, no details have emerged about parking on the site or about the building’s size.

Mr. McAllister says he does not, however, side with those who express antagonism toward newcomers, pointing out that most residents have ancestors who came through Ellis Island.

“We’re very diversified in South Beach,” he said.

In the meantime, Arkadiy Fridman, 53, and his wife, Ella, who run the center’s day care and after-school programs and art and music classes out of a cramped house on Jefferson Avenue, fear they have lost a $65,000 deposit for the arcade site.

That has disheartened Mr. Fridman, who started the center to see if he “could combine Russian culture with American culture and create something better.” Half the center’s 100 students, he said, are not Russian.

“They can’t understand how people who came from a foreign country 10 or 15 years ago can build successful businesses,” he said of the critics. “But most of us are educated, and we’re hungry to work.”

Some Russians, like Rabbi Shlomo Uzhanksy, detect a chord of jealousy by longer-rooted blue-collar or middle-class families. That strain seemed to emerge in some interviews. Betty Mateo, 58, an East Shore resident who wanted only her maiden name used, said she was angry that the state had given money to a Russian-founded center when “you see them coming out of the center with their expensive cars and their mink coats.”

Staten Island’s Russians are not a New York cross section. They are more affluent and better educated and hold more professional jobs than Brooklyn’s Russians, and are more likely to own businesses like beauty salons and pharmacies. Census estimates for 2008 put the median family income for Staten Island’s Russians at $106,788 and found that over half had college degrees. Almost every Russian speaks English.

They have put in their years in run-down apartment houses and sometimes look back upon old neighborhoods like Brighton Beach with affectionate amusement — remarking how the old-timers still stand in Soviet-type shopping queues.

“It’s a Madame Tussauds museum of wax figures,” said Irene Goltsman, who with her husband and brother runs a midsize company that provides computer services for business like Macy’s. “People are stuck in the past. They don’t improve.”

Still, Russian shops and institutions are now cropping up on Staten Island. There are at least two restaurants and one supermarket — Netcost Market— that ratify the breadth of the Russian arrival.

At Netcost, shoppers can buy delicacies like smoked butterfish, black bread and caviar while soulful Russian ballads are piped through the aisles. Since the majority of Russians are Jewish by birth, the 30-student Nachas Hebrew School, a Sunday school, has cropped up, run by Rabbi Uzhanksy.

Isaac Gorodetski, 24, a Ukrainian native who is attending law school, recalled how hard it was 10 years ago to leave the dense enclave in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, for schools where few classmates were Russian.

“It’s not that they ignored me on purpose — I never came to their minds,” he said of the non-Russian students.

Mr. Fridman, a Ukrainian, chose Staten Island 12 years ago because he could buy a house in Dongan Hills for $176,000. He has become active in Republican politics and claims that 80 percent of Russians, disillusioned with Socialist systems in their homeland, gravitate toward Republican ideas.

Ms. Goltsman, 36, grew up on Sakhalin Island, near Japan, and settled in Brooklyn when she was 20. In 2003, pregnant with her first child, she moved to the Huguenot section of Staten Island.

“We lived in a one-bedroom apartment in Sheepshead Bay and started looking for something with a backyard, like an American family,” she said. “Staten Island is a provincial borough and I like it that way — quiet, family-oriented but close enough to everything.”

Ms. Goltsman particularly appreciated the proximity of her Brooklyn relatives, a short ride away over the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. But she does not miss Brooklyn, she said. She maintains some Russian customs, like celebrating New Year’s with a yolka — a decorated non-Christmas evergreen — and exchanging presents. Still, she is aware of generational dilution. Her firstborn, Stanley, now 6, refuses to learn Russian.

As Mr. Fridman said: “We are melting into society. You put our kids next to the others and you can’t tell the difference. They become Americans.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/nyregion/21metjournal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=4&emc=eta1

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:10 PM
Мр. Фридман.. украинец.. ага.. Мс Гольдсман- еще одна русская...

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:21 PM
Мр. Фридман.. украинец.. ага.. Мс Гольдсман- еще одна русская...

Tccc! Мистер Фридман - это ж и есть Жирик! :grum:

Kadet
08-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Тццц! Мистер Фридман - это ж и есть Жирик! :грум:
А Гольдсман?

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:28 PM
Тццц! Мистер Фридман - это ж и есть Жирик! :грум:

Жирик азербайджанец.

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:32 PM
"Since the majority of Russians are Jewish by birth..."

обьясните, что это? Большинство русских евреи по рождению????????????:grum:

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:33 PM
Жирик азербайджанец.

Он горский! :grum: азербайджанец! :grum:

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:34 PM
А Гольдсман?

Жена наверное его?! Я с ним лично не знаком, к сожалению...

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:35 PM
"Since the majority of Russians are Jewish by birth..."

обьясните, что это? Большинство русских евреи по рождению????????????:grum:

Из статьи наверное вырезали. Речь идёт про иммигрантов...

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:36 PM
Из статьи наверное вырезали. Речь идёт про иммигрантов...

не вырезали. Там так и написано. Всю жизнь жила и не знала, что русские, оказываются евреи.

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:37 PM
не вырезали. Там так и написано. Всю жизнь жила и не знала, что русские, оказываются евреи.

Сейчас тебя забанят! :tong:

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:39 PM
Сейчас тебя забанят! :тонг:

за что? я прочитала это в статье. Нью Ёрк таймс- продажная газетенка. И почему бы не написать- евреи из украины, россии? При чем здесь русские и украинцы? И с какого боку у русских вдруг синагога и раббаи? как надоела эта галиматья.

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:42 PM
"Some Russians, like Rabbi Shlomo Uzhanksy"

некоторые русские , как раббай Шломо Ужанский..

Экспортёр
08-26-2010, 06:47 PM
"Some Russians, like Rabbi Shlomo Uzhanksy"

некоторые русские , как раббай Шломо Ужанский..

Потому что с паспортами русскими в америку приехали. Как и ты. Вот почему!

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:50 PM
Потому что с паспортами русскими в америку приехали. Как и ты. Вот почему!

они приехали, кка беженцы. И паспорта у них американские. И почему не написать- еврейская община? При чем здесь слово "русские" вообще? Заказная статья этой газетенки о кипящем котле и мультикультуризме.

Izolda
08-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Жиря знает, что постать. Я мимо этого не пройду же:grum:

смешно
08-26-2010, 07:21 PM
State Island это же бывшая помойка, ну русские и выбрали место.